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[Schadenfreude]

Guarantee you that if you built baseball a top 3 facility in the MAC like Men's BBall has you wouldn't see that program finishing in 8th or 9th place every year.

And I bet dozens of people would start coming out to watch the baseball games, too.

[guest44]

Just trying to figure out how to mention Louis Orr in this thread?

[footballguy51]

Guarantee you that if you built baseball a top 3 facility in the MAC like Men's BBall has you wouldn't see that program finishing in 8th or 9th place every year.

And I bet dozens of people would start coming out to watch the baseball games, too.

And those dozens of people would get to watch the game for free...unless we want to start charging for that. Then five people will come out to watch.

[apollo]

Guarantee you that if you built baseball a top 3 facility in the MAC like Men's BBall has you wouldn't see that program finishing in 8th or 9th place every year.

And I bet dozens of people would start coming out to watch the baseball games, too.

And those dozens of people would get to watch the game for free...unless we want to start charging for that. Then five people will come out to watch.

Well that would be on course for BGSU sports...considering Men's BBall has a tough time drawing 1000 and FB can't draw 10,000 and Hockey draws about 2,000 for most games.

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I guess those results are worth having a football team that wins the worst division in college FB consistently and a Hockey program that wins...wait I guess hockey hasn't won anything in 30 years.

Bottom line, is that if you're going to just put money in a couple sports, those sports should win and at least make enough money to cover their expenses to the point that we don't have to treat our other sports like Rec programs. Every game that football doesn't draw fans really hurts the department as a whole.

[jpfalcon09]

Back to the original topic of this thread...looks like a good chance of rain in the morning and then a chance again in the early afternoon. Majority of weather outlets are going with a 70-90% chance of rain.

[Schadenfreude]

FB can't draw 10,000

This is fiction. The box score clearly showed 15,000+. Ever since the stadium opened in the 1960s, the football team has averaged 15,000+ for home games.

It is true that many people didn't show up Saturday because of the terrible weather and the arts festival downtown. These things happen. But the university reported 15,000+, which I understand to be a combination of tickets sold and students who elected to attend. That's the reality.

I guess those results are worth having a football team that wins the worst division in college FB consistently

Bowling Green plays Division I football. Division I is the best division.

Bowling Green plays in the Football Bowl Subdivision. That's the best subdivision.

Bowling Green plays in the Mid-American Conference. While no one would argue the MAC is the strongest football conference in the country, the level of play in the MAC is better than Conference USA and the Sun Belt, and on a par with the Mountain West, according to respected analysts. It is by no means the worst conference in the country.

Bottom line, is that if you're going to just put money in a couple sports, those sports should win and at least make enough money to cover their expenses to the point that we don't have to treat our other sports like Rec programs. Every game that football doesn't draw fans really hurts the department as a whole.

All Bowling Green does is win at football. Bowling Green is the defending MAC champion. The Falcons have won 12 MAC football championships. The Falcons have won more conference games in football than any other school in the MAC. This football team wins. Consistently.

And, unlike baseball, the football team actually generates revenue. Thousands of people are willing to spend their money to watch them play. Networks, including ESPN, are willing to spend millions of dollars for the rights to to broadcast Bowling Green and other MAC football games. None of this true about baseball at Bowling Green. While baseball is a revenue sport at some universities, it is only an expense here.

That doesn't make the baseball players bad people. I have no doubt they work hard, just as most of our athletes work hard. Moreover, the ability for a sport to generate revenue should not the only consideration when structuring an athletic program. Title IX, for example, also needs to be considered.

But do you not see irony in the fact that you are ripping football attendance when your favorite cause, baseball, generates essentially no revenue or local interest at all?

It gets old watching every other sport other than baseball get consistently disparaged on this board because of an agenda. It isn't helpful.

If you want to have a debate about the merit of baseball at BGSU, I have some opinions on that. I doubt you or the baseball coaches want to hear them, though.

[hammb]

It gets old watching every other sport other than baseball get consistently disparaged on this board because of an agenda. It isn't helpful.

If you want to have a debate about the merit of baseball at BGSU, I have some opinions on that. I doubt you or the baseball coaches want to hear them, though.

It's beyond ludicrous.

The value of Division 1 athletics at BG can VERY easily be debated...I'm still not convinced that we get justified value for the expense of the athletic programs as a whole. Football eats the most budget, but it also brings in at least SOME revenue to offset the expenses. No doubt they're still very much in the hole.

Same goes for basketball and hockey, as those are the only revenue sports we have.

All that said though, the only justifiable argument for continuing to spend millions of student dollars on athletics are for A) building a sense of community/attachment to the university (a tough sell to me), and B) gaining exposure for the university outside of the NWO region.

Baseball provides absolutely zero on both accounts. I like college baseball, and I've gone to a few games. THere aren't more than 20 students at any given game, and I'd bet the majority of those are friends/family of the players. The sport DOES cost only a fraction of the bigger sports, but it also gives back exactly zero in the 2 arguments that I can see justify the cost of athletics at BGSU.

Sure, throw millions at baseball and they'll probably win more. They'll also continue to provide zero to the university as students won't be there, and unless they end up going far in the College WS they will still get zero national exposure...and for that matter even then it'll be only SLIGHTLY more than zero since only a very select handful of people pay any attention whatsoever to college baseball.


Wanna argue BG shouldn't be paying for D1 football, hoops, or hockey? I'll listen.
Wanna argue BG shouldn't be paying for any athletics at all? I'll listen.
But come on here and act like our commitment to major sports is harming baseball and we need to re-invest in that program? Pffft...absolutely a complete and total waste of time. There is nothing to be gained for by investing in that sport at all. Same goes for most of the other sports at BG (save for Women's hoops & volleyball); the only real value most of them can provide to the university is Title IX compliance offsetting the major men's sports.

[slashba33]

So..eh...forecast according to The Weather Channel looking much better for tomorrow! Showing only 50% chance of rain now!!

[Falcon Fanatic]

So..eh...forecast according to The Weather Channel looking much better for tomorrow! Showing only 50% chance of rain now!!

[MajorFalcon92]

Just trying to figure out how to mention Louis Orr in this thread?

It will rain Orr it won't.

[BGSU33]

It's gonna be crap weather again. And just like last week, it'll be real nice the day after.

[hammb]

It's absolutely pouring now and it has pretty much rained non-stop since early this morning. I'll be watching from ESPN3

[MacGuy]

.....when you invest a huge portion of your budget into football, there needs to be money brought back in. This is why nothing ever gets improved for many of our teams...the department is too busy trying to figure out ways to make budget despite all the losses from FB, Basketball and Hockey to improve much of anything.

Huh.

I said "many" teams....no question FB, Basketball, Hockey and a few select Women's sports get what they need to win championships. Take a picture of the baseball field, softball field or soccer stadium...

Guarantee you that if you built baseball a top 3 facility in the MAC like Men's BBall has you wouldn't see that program finishing in 8th or 9th place every year. Football at least has done something with their facility upgrade and competed for titles.

Is men's basketball a top 3 facility?