Shots fired.

[MarkL]

A thought I had that fits in with the topic of what Clawson inherited against what Loeffler inherited. It's been said a few times around here, and I agree with the sentiment, that the 2010 team was competitive in games it had no business being in and the 2020 team looks lost. And the conclusion is that Loeffler is no Clawson. Well consider this.

Jinks' last year. He was 1-6 when fired. Only the Western Michigan game was remotely competitive. He probably should have lost to an FCS team.
2017. 2-10. I'm not sure there was a halftime lead in any of those losses. The final scores frequently made the games look closer than they were due to backups playing.
2016. 4-8. Beat three awful teams at the end. Suffered the two worst losses in program history and one of those was supposedly in the same punching class.
At no point was the team in contention or even striking distance of Detroit - after being there for three straight years.

Brandon's last three years:
2008. 6-6. 4 MAC losses, in all four had a lead in the fourth quarter. Team was preseason pick to win the east. Beat #25 Pitt along the way - who was one win from winning the Big East title. And win any one of those MAC games we lost and BG is in the MAC title.
2007. 8-5. Tied for MAC east (6-2). Beat Big Ten Minnesota. Had an awful bowl game loss, a bad loss to Miami and BC. But won all four in November to have a shot at Detroit.
2006. 4-8. Total rebuilding year after everyone anyone knew about graduated the previous year. Team was kinda a disaster. Lost to freaking Temple. But beat eventual east champ Ohio and should have beat defending conference champ Akron.
4-8 was Brandon's worst record. And Jinks' best record.

Point is - Brandon developed players. He won games. He built a generally on field winning culture. His problem was off field. Discipline, academics, retention. Whereas Jinks' problems included all of Brandon's plus on field misery and lack of player development.

So Clawson at least inherited something of a winning foundation. Loeffler truly inherited a worse situation.

So I'll wrap it up by saying the same thing I've been saying. Nobody could win with Jinks' dumpster fire. Not yet. If next year comes around and we still see no progress, then I will be concerned.

[jpfalcon09]

A thought I had that fits in with the topic of what Clawson inherited against what Loeffler inherited. It's been said a few times around here, and I agree with the sentiment, that the 2010 team was competitive in games it had no business being in and the 2020 team looks lost. And the conclusion is that Loeffler is no Clawson. Well consider this.

Jinks' last year. He was 1-6 when fired. Only the Western Michigan game was remotely competitive. He probably should have lost to an FCS team.
2017. 2-10. I'm not sure there was a halftime lead in any of those losses. The final scores frequently made the games look closer than they were due to backups playing.
2016. 4-8. Beat three awful teams at the end. Suffered the two worst losses in program history and one of those was supposedly in the same punching class.
At no point was the team in contention or even striking distance of Detroit - after being there for three straight years.

Brandon's last three years:
2008. 6-6. 4 MAC losses, in all four had a lead in the fourth quarter. Team was preseason pick to win the east. Beat #25 Pitt along the way - who was one win from winning the Big East title. And win any one of those MAC games we lost and BG is in the MAC title.
2007. 8-5. Tied for MAC east (6-2). Beat Big Ten Minnesota. Had an awful bowl game loss, a bad loss to Miami and BC. But won all four in November to have a shot at Detroit.
2006. 4-8. Total rebuilding year after everyone anyone knew about graduated the previous year. Team was kinda a disaster. Lost to freaking Temple. But beat eventual east champ Ohio and should have beat defending conference champ Akron.
4-8 was Brandon's worst record. And Jinks' best record.

Point is - Brandon developed players. He won games. He built a generally on field winning culture. His problem was off field. Discipline, academics, retention. Whereas Jinks' problems included all of Brandon's plus on field misery and lack of player development.

So Clawson at least inherited something of a winning foundation. Loeffler truly inherited a worse situation.

So I'll wrap it up by saying the same thing I've been saying. Nobody could win with Jinks' dumpster fire. Not yet. If next year comes around and we still see no progress, then I will be concerned.

Speaks to a culture issue which is not surprising. Losing begets losing. You have a group of players who are accustomed to losing football games. That stuff festers and spreads like a disease within any organization. Big reason why there were so many transfers last year with the coaching change. Loeffler knew he had guys who didn't want to put in the work to change things.

We need to be patient. Can't be stressed enough. Some people aren't willing to accept that and that's fine - probably a good time to take a break from the program if so. Those of us who are close to the hockey program knows what this looks like. It can take years to get a program back to being competitive.

I think we'll get there. Not because I 100% believe Loeffler is the right person, but because he has a plan of how to achieve it, and that's something the football program has lacked since 2013 - a coherent vision of what it wants to be. Call it throwing Babers and Jinks under the bus, but it is what it is. This year and probably next are going to be ugly. I believe the alumni and fans need to support the coaches and players. Show them we're willing to be patient too, or else this is never going to get fixed and BG football is going to be a perennial cellar dweller.

[guest44]

I can't remember ever seeing a Bowling Green head coach more fired up than Scot Loeffler was in today's press conference.

https://youtu.be/e9_peyMMzDc" target="_blank

Among other things, he said: "I'm not going to use Bowling Green and quick fix it overnight and leave like other people have in the past here. We're going to get this thing that is sustained. We're going to get this thing right. And the fact of the matter is, that's going to take time. If I was walking into something that was right, all right, There's no excuses. But this thing isn't right and it hasn't been right. And we're going to get it right. Plain and simple."

(Shots fired!)

He also quotes Dave Clawson telling him the situation he faces now is much tougher than the one Clawson faced in 2009.

I love this passion.

Just about 22 months ago, another moment Scot Loeffler provided to show us how this would end. At this moment it was clear that Con Man Kit Hughes had set BGSU back another 5 years with the hire. Con Man Kit Hughes was getting it wrong before Scot Loeffler, and by hiring Scot Loeffler. Con Man Kit Hughes cost BGSU much more than he ever made. His stink lingers on.

[Flipper]

Nowhere else to look but the mirror, Scot...