BGSU will never ever learn…

[jpfalcon09]

I have to wonder if the traditional Conventional wisdom of no lame duck year and having to extend 2+ years so as “not to hurt recruiting” is a model of a bygone, pre-portal era?

If the players are free to come and go and not truly committing to a school or even coach for multiple years (especially at our level) does the conventional wisdom and thinking change?

I think it's a very good point.

Similarly the portal era makes the whole, "The program was in shambles, it'll take 5 years to build this thing back up" equally as obsolete.

If our players are only going to be here for 1-3 years then it shouldn't take that long to turn over the roster and get competent players here. If half of our recruiting classes are transfers from other schools I don't buy the notion that they care about a guy's long term stability here. Hell, there could even be some kids prescient enough to realize that if the dude is gonna be gone in a year they might get a free transfer out of the deal.

Valid point, but still need to recruit. I'd prefer to not have to fill a roster with transfers at this level, given most are going to be FCS-caliber players. Agree though that contracts need to be structured against the current landscape of college football. Never understood why coaches and universities don't put option years in their deals where one side can simply walk away without so much as a handshake if one party feels it's not working out. These buyouts, or severances, are killing the little guys.

[guest44]

Valid point, but still need to recruit. I'd prefer to not have to fill a roster with transfers at this level, given most are going to be FCS-caliber players. Agree though that contracts need to be structured against the current landscape of college football. Never understood why coaches and universities don't put option years in their deals where one side can simply walk away without so much as a handshake if one party feels it's not working out. These buyouts, or severances, are killing the little guys.
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Let's be honest these administrators are not savvy business people. The ego's tell them they are, but they just aren't. In today's world most AD's come from the Learfield cookie cutter mold where everyone does it this way, so we should too. Add in social media, and as many decisions as ever are based solely on social media likes and self promotion. The icing on the cake is the lack of oversight.

[pdt1081]

Valid point, but still need to recruit. I'd prefer to not have to fill a roster with transfers at this level, given most are going to be FCS-caliber players. Agree though that contracts need to be structured against the current landscape of college football. Never understood why coaches and universities don't put option years in their deals where one side can simply walk away without so much as a handshake if one party feels it's not working out. These buyouts, or severances, are killing the little guys.

Buyouts work both ways though. And the little guys have been using them to their benefit for a long time. They are only killer when you miss on your new hire. Even worse when you bomb two hires in a row.

[Flipper]

"Celebrating mediocrity" needs to be our athletics motto

CMU has 22 verbals on 247...most of them are *** HS kids...many of them from the Midwest in general and Michigan in particular. Toledo is bringing in 12 HS kids include Grant Zimmerley from PBurg. a *** OL. They're also bringing in a former **** edge from Mizzou as a transfer.

We seem to be seriously lagging on the recruiting front...which is another reason that I'm not optimistic about our future under the current staff

[jpfalcon09]

"Celebrating mediocrity" needs to be our athletics motto

CMU has 22 verbals on 247...most of them are *** HS kids...many of them from the Midwest in general and Michigan in particular. Toledo is bringing in 12 HS kids include Grant Zimmerley from PBurg. a *** OL. They're also bringing in a former **** edge from Mizzou as a transfer.

We seem to be seriously lagging on the recruiting front...which is another reason that I'm not optimistic about our future under the current staff

23 visits scheduled with prospective recruits before the dead period. I suspect we'll see movement in the next few weeks on commitments.

[mbenecke]

I also think it's entirely possible that 247 is extremely behind on actual commitments. They often don't catch up on MAC commitments until they're actually signed.

[jpfalcon09]

I also think it's entirely possible that 247 is extremely behind on actual commitments. They often don't catch up on MAC commitments until they're actually signed.

This is likely too, but there have been a ton of official visits this week for the football program since it's the quiet period (no off-campus contacts). Dead period kicks in on 12/19 and the contact period begins again on 1/13 and ends 1/30.

So still plenty of time for kids to commit until actual signing day on 2/1.

[Class of 61]

But THIS SIGNING DAY is the 21st is it not? I’m guessing more HS kids Will sign now rather than take a chance waiting 2 months. Remember I’d posted about the Texas kid who said he was signing on the 14 th?

[Falconwriter]

There are 2 coaches that I think would be great that are still out there. I'd take Jim Leonhard and Brian Hartline in an instant (DJ Durkin too but I get the push back).

I think you could float the idea to either before firing your coach. I assume that this happens all the time despite the feel of it. Both would be short term solutions on the rise. Both are in odd situations where they might jump at the chance to run a team

Don't know about Leonhard but Hartline is not leaving Ohio State, at least not now.

I sincerely hope the new AD realizes keeping Loefler is not the way to turn this program around. Hopefully, when he was hired, it was understood that he'd be hiring both new men's football and basketball coaches, and possibly both for the 2022-2023 athletic year.

[Falconfreak90]

It’s not just the extension that is coming which is absurd. It’s going to be the raise that comes with it. This is BGSU where it’s allow the standard to hit the floor so mediocre people can claim success.

He received extra cash this year for winning five conference games ($7,500) and making it to a bowl game ($25,000). He gets another $12,500 if they win the bowl game. That's about 7-8% of his base. University is silly if they give him a raise. Make him earn it.

Word.

[Falconfreak90]

I have to wonder if the traditional Conventional wisdom of no lame duck year and having to extend 2+ years so as “not to hurt recruiting” is a model of a bygone, pre-portal era?

If the players are free to come and go and not truly committing to a school or even coach for multiple years (especially at our level) does the conventional wisdom and thinking change?

Good point DD.

Definitely is. The portal has changed the way players think.

[Globetrotter]

There are 2 coaches that I think would be great that are still out there. I'd take Jim Leonhard and Brian Hartline in an instant (DJ Durkin too but I get the push back).

I think you could float the idea to either before firing your coach. I assume that this happens all the time despite the feel of it. Both would be short term solutions on the rise. Both are in odd situations where they might jump at the chance to run a team

Don't know about Leonhard but Hartline is not leaving Ohio State, at least not now.

I sincerely hope the new AD realizes keeping Loefler is not the way to turn this program around. Hopefully, when he was hired, it was understood that he'd be hiring both new men's football and basketball coaches, and possibly both for the 2022-2023 athletic year.

Coaches say they aren't leaving and then leave all the time. I do doubt he leaves for this job but who knows how ambitious he is and if this could jumpstart things.

[TommyG]

Hartline is arguably OSU’s best recruiter. He probably makes more money than Loeffler as the WR coach at OSU…if he wants to leave, it’ll be to a P5 power for an Asst Head Coach or Coordinator position.
Bowling Green wouldn’t even get a return phone call from him.

I’d probably look to find a successful FCS head coach…hopefully someone who runs a somewhat entertaining offense. There are plenty of good candidates out there, relying on a search committee probably isn’t the way to go. I’d hope they already have candidates in mind and can make a quick hire.

I do wonder if behind the scenes this bowl game has implications for Loeffler being back next year. I have a feeling BG is going to lay an egg. I wonder if that could be enough.

[hammb]

The days of MAC teams taking high end assistants from major programs as HCs are mostly over. Hartline would have to be a complete fool to even consider a MAC HC position. If he wants to make it to the highest levels the MAC is not the place to start.

[Class of 61]

Check out the HC from NDak. State… or the guy from D2 in Michigan ( name escapes me)