Meeting on College Sports Crisis.

[hammb]

The rec center operates in student fees. It is required to be a break even at minimum.

I loved that course. I, too, had started golfing towards the end of HS and I really enjoyed that I could orlyrchase a student summer membership for $90 and play every day for the summer! Unfortunately, they kept raising rates and it made no sense to hold there when I could pay the same price for a better course. I’m sure there’s politics behind that, as you all have alluded to. I just miss the course.

Yeah, and nobody complains about the rec center costing student fees to operate. I don't know why Creason was held to a different standard.

And I'm with you I also loved that course, but stopped playing it over its final few years. They made the course worse with lack of maintenance and raised the rates. It didn't have to be that way. It took a decade or more of neglect to get to the point it could be justifiably closed.

Hell I never really got over closing the golf practice area to build the new tennis courts...

[maskedopining]

I often wonder if BGSU leadership in general has any idea what kind of consequences trying to keep the football program in the FBS Group of 5 will have for the existence of the school itself.

It exists in a state that is trending older, losing population in younger demographics, in a political climate where it has become less accommodating to funding education in general in exchange for abolishing income taxes and property taxes.

Is it more likely that BGSU is bought by private equity and set up as a for profit university or that it is anyway competitive as a FBS football program in the next 10 years?

Does it’s leaders have the best interest of the public university in mind or is it a group of people using BG to make as much money as they can before they retire or move on?

These are key questions for the future of the institution that is named on the degrees most of us have on the wall. And separating this foolish football odyssey with the heath and future of the university is shortsighted.

[Bgsu2016]

I often wonder if BGSU leadership in general has any idea what kind of circumstances trying to keep the football program in the FBS Group of 5 will have for the existence of the school itself.

It exists in a state that is trending older, losing population in younger demographics, in a political climate where it has become less accommodating to funding education in general in exchange for abolishing income taxes and property taxes.

Is it more likely that BGSU is bought by private equity and set up as a for profit university or that it is anyway competitive as a FBS football program in the next 10 years?

Does it’s leaders have the best interest of the public university in mind or is it a group of people using BG to make as much money as they can before they retire or move on?

These are key questions for the future of the institution that is named on the degrees most of us have on the wall. And separating this foolish football odyssey with the heath and future of the university is shortsighted.

I think BG and the rest of the MAC will be fine. The NCAA is going to get its antitrust exemption which will finally protect it legally, a federal NIL law will go into affect superseding state rules and the whole entity will have to pool together similar to pro sports for media deals. That’s exactly what the Big 10 and SEC are angry about, they’ll lose a lot of power when this occurs

[Critical Thinker]

I think BG and the rest of the MAC will be fine. The NCAA is going to get its antitrust exemption which will finally protect it legally, a federal NIL law will go into affect superseding state rules and the whole entity will have to pool together similar to pro sports for media deals. That’s exactly what the Big 10 and SEC are angry about, they’ll lose a lot of power when this occurs

What kind of deal would Ohio State or Alabama possibly accept that shares anything with us?

[maskedopining]

I often wonder if BGSU leadership in general has any idea what kind of circumstances trying to keep the football program in the FBS Group of 5 will have for the existence of the school itself.

It exists in a state that is trending older, losing population in younger demographics, in a political climate where it has become less accommodating to funding education in general in exchange for abolishing income taxes and property taxes.

Is it more likely that BGSU is bought by private equity and set up as a for profit university or that it is anyway competitive as a FBS football program in the next 10 years?

Does it’s leaders have the best interest of the public university in mind or is it a group of people using BG to make as much money as they can before they retire or move on?

These are key questions for the future of the institution that is named on the degrees most of us have on the wall. And separating this foolish football odyssey with the heath and future of the university is shortsighted.

I think BG and the rest of the MAC will be fine. The NCAA is going to get its antitrust exemption which will finally protect it legally, a federal NIL law will go into affect superseding state rules and the whole entity will have to pool together similar to pro sports for media deals. That’s exactly what the Big 10 and SEC are angry about, they’ll lose a lot of power when this occurs

I don’t think any of this keeps the MAC “fine”. The only loss of power the Big Ten and SEC will experience is when Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Texas decide they don’t want to share their conference’s TV money with the other schools that get a free ride on the coattails.

The MAC factors in none of this. As soon as bigger schools don’t need the MAC to fill their schedule inventory, it’s over, they are roadkill on this highway.

This also fails to consider that players are going to unionize and collectively bargain as soon as all of what you mention happens.

BG football as we have known it will be effectively over sooner rather than later, regardless of what our AD invests in it. It sucks, but I haven’t found a convincing alternative.

[Globetrotter]

I often wonder if BGSU leadership in general has any idea what kind of circumstances trying to keep the football program in the FBS Group of 5 will have for the existence of the school itself.

It exists in a state that is trending older, losing population in younger demographics, in a political climate where it has become less accommodating to funding education in general in exchange for abolishing income taxes and property taxes.

Is it more likely that BGSU is bought by private equity and set up as a for profit university or that it is anyway competitive as a FBS football program in the next 10 years?

Does it’s leaders have the best interest of the public university in mind or is it a group of people using BG to make as much money as they can before they retire or move on?

These are key questions for the future of the institution that is named on the degrees most of us have on the wall. And separating this foolish football odyssey with the heath and future of the university is shortsighted.

I think BG and the rest of the MAC will be fine. The NCAA is going to get its antitrust exemption which will finally protect it legally, a federal NIL law will go into affect superseding state rules and the whole entity will have to pool together similar to pro sports for media deals. That’s exactly what the Big 10 and SEC are angry about, they’ll lose a lot of power when this occurs

I don’t think any of this keeps the MAC “fine”. The only loss of power the Big Ten and SEC will experience is when Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Texas decide they don’t want to share their conference’s TV money with the other schools that get a free ride on the coattails.

The MAC factors in none of this. As soon as bigger schools don’t need the MAC to fill their schedule inventory, it’s over, they are roadkill on this highway.

This also fails to consider that players are going to unionize and collectively bargain as soon as all of what you mention happens.

BG football as we have known it will be effectively over sooner rather than later, regardless of what our AD invests in it. It sucks, but I haven’t found a convincing alternative.

There are relatively easy solutions to all of this that would take leadership but should be pretty easy.

All of the have nots from the Group of five and FCS band together and collectively bargain. Make it so that freshman sign 2 year contracts and they can't leave unless the team releases them from the contract. They have noncompetes if they leave. If they leave before their contract is up they have noncompete agreements. Have transfers sign similar contracts. It all comes down to the contracts and what is bargained in unison.

Just compare the NFL to major league baseball. One is incredible because they thought of the product as a whole and won is miserable nonsense because of greed. The Giants and Cowboys saw the forest for the trees.

We should just walk away but we are grasping on to everything we can before they walk away from us.

[Bgsu2016]

What kind of deal would Ohio State or Alabama possibly accept that shares anything with us?

I don’t think any of this keeps the MAC “fine”. The only loss of power the Big Ten and SEC will experience is when Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Texas decide they don’t want to share their conference’s TV money with the other schools that get a free ride on the coattails.

The MAC factors in none of this. As soon as bigger schools don’t need the MAC to fill their schedule inventory, it’s over, they are roadkill on this highway.

This also fails to consider that players are going to unionize and collectively bargain as soon as all of what you mention happens.

BG football as we have known it will be effectively over sooner rather than later, regardless of what our AD invests in it. It sucks, but I haven’t found a convincing alternative.

From what I understand the bill being worked on in Congress would essentially force a pooling of tv rights since the NCAA would receive an antitrust exemption like the other leagues. This would also give them power to retake control of media rights and rules

[maskedopining]

What kind of deal would Ohio State or Alabama possibly accept that shares anything with us?

I don’t think any of this keeps the MAC “fine”. The only loss of power the Big Ten and SEC will experience is when Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Texas decide they don’t want to share their conference’s TV money with the other schools that get a free ride on the coattails.

The MAC factors in none of this. As soon as bigger schools don’t need the MAC to fill their schedule inventory, it’s over, they are roadkill on this highway.

This also fails to consider that players are going to unionize and collectively bargain as soon as all of what you mention happens.

BG football as we have known it will be effectively over sooner rather than later, regardless of what our AD invests in it. It sucks, but I haven’t found a convincing alternative.

From what I understand the bill being worked on in Congress would essentially force a pooling of tv rights since the NCAA would receive an antitrust exemption like the other leagues. This would also give them power to retake control of media rights and rules

I see what you’re saying, but even with an anti-trust exemption, the actual power of the NCAA is really limited, especially with football. Without the conferences, the NCAA is nothing in football. Throughout the existence of college football, the conferences negotiate TV rights. The only power the conferences granted the NCAA for football in the past was enforcement of amateurism rules. Those are gone. You would have imagine a world in which the law is written that forces conferences to give up this power and then passes an appeal to our current Supreme Court that has already knee-capped the NCAA multiple times in the last 6 years. Even in basketball, all the NCAA is really allowed to do by the conferences is organize and run the tournament.

I’m not saying an anti-trust exemption will change some things on the margins, but it’s not going to save the MAC. Long-term, I think what is currently college football and maybe basketball will turn into a professional system like Europe has with relegation levels. I could certainly be wrong, but it seems like the most realistic path.

The ultimate question for our athletic leadership is really going to be whether they are going to treat our school like looters in a riot before it falls apart or will they try to act in the best interest of the university?

[BillyLP]

I often wonder if BGSU leadership in general has any idea what kind of consequences trying to keep the football program in the FBS Group of 5 will have for the existence of the school itself.

It exists in a state that is trending older, losing population in younger demographics, in a political climate where it has become less accommodating to funding education in general in exchange for abolishing income taxes and property taxes.

Is it more likely that BGSU is bought by private equity and set up as a for profit university or that it is anyway competitive as a FBS football program in the next 10 years?

Does it’s leaders have the best interest of the public university in mind or is it a group of people using BG to make as much money as they can before they retire or move on?

These are key questions for the future of the institution that is named on the degrees most of us have on the wall. And separating this foolish football odyssey with the heath and future of the university is shortsighted.

Athletics aside, the university is actually in pretty good financial position. You'd be surprised by the amount of assets BG has in reserves, enrollment is growing, the business school is churning out pretty successful alumni, fundraising is doing way better than it ever has (though still not quite as successful as Toledo in the latter).

That said, I do agree that pushing football to be nationally relevant in it's current format is a fool's errand at this point. In my opinion best situation for college football (that will never happen) at this point is to adopt a pro-rel platform with revenue sharing at each level. Have 40 teams in the top tier, 40 in the second, the rest in the bottom. Would create such an exciting environment for teams in the chase for promotion.

[guest44]

What kind of deal would Ohio State or Alabama possibly accept that shares anything with us?

I don’t think any of this keeps the MAC “fine”. The only loss of power the Big Ten and SEC will experience is when Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Texas decide they don’t want to share their conference’s TV money with the other schools that get a free ride on the coattails.

The MAC factors in none of this. As soon as bigger schools don’t need the MAC to fill their schedule inventory, it’s over, they are roadkill on this highway.

This also fails to consider that players are going to unionize and collectively bargain as soon as all of what you mention happens.

BG football as we have known it will be effectively over sooner rather than later, regardless of what our AD invests in it. It sucks, but I haven’t found a convincing alternative.

From what I understand the bill being worked on in Congress would essentially force a pooling of tv rights since the NCAA would receive an antitrust exemption like the other leagues. This would also give them power to retake control of media rights and rules

I see what you’re saying, but even with an anti-trust exemption, the actual power of the NCAA is really limited, especially with football. Without the conferences, the NCAA is nothing in football. Throughout the existence of college football, the conferences negotiate TV rights. The only power the conferences granted the NCAA for football in the past was enforcement of amateurism rules. Those are gone. You would have imagine a world in which the law is written that forces conferences to give up this power and then passes an appeal to our current Supreme Court that has already knee-capped the NCAA multiple times in the last 6 years. Even in basketball, all the NCAA is really allowed to do by the conferences is organize and run the tournament.

I’m not saying an anti-trust exemption will change some things on the margins, but it’s not going to save the MAC. Long-term, I think what is currently college football and maybe basketball will turn into a professional system like Europe has with relegation levels. I could certainly be wrong, but it seems like the most realistic path.

The ultimate question for our athletic leadership is really going to be whether they are going to treat our school like looters in a riot before it falls apart or will they try to act in the best interest of the university?

The answer to that ultimate question will come with very little oversight. That much the past decade has proven. At BGSU when the athletics administration isn’t moving on quickly, the worst case scenario is happening. The school isn’t equipped to actually win big at anything and it won’t move on from bad hires in time. Go look at the gymnastics schedule for this past season. The next step is scheduling high schools. Then read the social media about the first winning season in like 25 years. That smoke screen is the leadership in place. Fake momentum. When you have real momentum you don’t need to tell people you have momentum.

[Flipper]

No telling what the impact of this will be...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ility-nil/

[BillyLP]

No telling what the impact of this will be...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ility-nil/

Everything I’ve read says that there are no expectations this will get past the first appeal.

[Flipper]

No telling what the impact of this will be...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ility-nil/

Everything I’ve read says that there are no expectations this will get past the first appeal.

Yeah...not really seeing the point of this...although you never know how a given judge will rule..or how the appeals process might play out.

The NCAA appears to be approaching the point where they're a governing body in name only

[jpfalcon09]

No telling what the impact of this will be...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ility-nil/

Everything I’ve read says that there are no expectations this will get past the first appeal.

Yeah...not really seeing the point of this...although you never know how a given judge will rule..or how the appeals process might play out.

The NCAA appears to be approaching the point where they're a governing body in name only

There's no point. The Alston case has already set precedent and unless SCOTUS undergoes an extreme overhaul from an ideological perspective there will be lawsuits galore filed against this if it ever becomes law.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

No telling what the impact of this will be...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ility-nil/

Everything I’ve read says that there are no expectations this will get past the first appeal.

Yeah...not really seeing the point of this...although you never know how a given judge will rule..or how the appeals process might play out.

The NCAA appears to be approaching the point where they're a governing body in name only

There's no point. The Alston case has already set precedent and unless SCOTUS undergoes an extreme overhaul from an ideological perspective there will be lawsuits galore filed against this if it ever becomes law.

What I find most ironic about all of this is the only answer/elephant in the room is collective bargaining. Yep, SCOTUS, filled with anti-union justices, has set in motion a scenario that can only be solved by unionizing college athletes. Can't make this stuff up.