okay asshat I understand what he's talking about. I don't think saying he has no chance is pessimistic. I view it as fact. I don't trust heisman voters to vote for the best player in college football because they rarely do. They will vote for the most visible player on the best team.
The fact is we will be lucky to finish in the top 25 this year. If we win out we might get to 15-20. No way does a qb from a medium ranked non-bcs school with any more than 0 losses win the heisman. I don't care how many yards or touchdowns Omar throws for. They ain't gonna vote him over Vince young from a 1-2 loss texas team or Leinart and Bush from a 1-2 loss USC team. To me that's a plain simple fact.
I think when it's all said and done, Omar will be the best player in CF this year. Unfortunately that is no longer what the heisman is about. That's not pessimism, that's realism. Schad and some others disagree, and that's fine. We'll see what happens.
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:okay asshat I understand what he's talking about. I don't think saying he has no chance is pessimistic. I view it as fact. I don't trust heisman voters to vote for the best player in college football because they rarely do. They will vote for the most visible player on the best team.
The fact is we will be lucky to finish in the top 25 this year. If we win out we might get to 15-20. No way does a qb from a medium ranked non-bcs school with any more than 0 losses win the heisman. I don't care how many yards or touchdowns Omar throws for. They ain't gonna vote him over Vince young from a 1-2 loss texas team or Leinart and Bush from a 1-2 loss USC team. To me that's a plain simple fact.
I think when it's all said and done, Omar will be the best player in CF this year. Unfortunately that is no longer what the heisman is about. That's not pessimism, that's realism. Schad and some others disagree, and that's fine. We'll see what happens.
Your right JacobforHeisman, Omar has no chance of winning as of the last 8-9 years or so. Its just all about the BCS and nobody else. It is't pessimism , its just fact.
truth wrote:quit livin in the past.. its people like u, who write omars chances off, that perpetuates the scenario, and it doesn't really help the matter.
Boy does he have a very appropriate screename!
To be 100%, unabashadly honest, this is the exact reason I believe the BCS is able to maintain its hegemony over the college football world. If there were more people at the "mid-major" level who simply, 100% flat-out refused to accept the dominance of this system that we all admit is bogus and only in place to consolidate bowl earnings into six conferences that have done nothing to earn it, there would be a lot more pressure put on the system. This may not be enough to crack the system, but the longer it keeps up we will find many allies in BCS school fans. Believe it or not, there are many fans of these schools who are rational (except for those fans of one of the schools in our state, it would seem).
This may come off as a very Marxian view of college football, but I assure you it is not. In fact, it is the BCS proponents who have a very Marxian view of the history of college football - that there are patterns in the history of college football that have betrothed some schools with an unalienable dominance over other schools.
FYI, the absolutism of Marxist theory has been all but rejected by most scholars, in history at least.
Food for thought.
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jerzyboy247 wrote:Fox Sports Net had the same exact format and order as the posted website.
I'm pretty sure 95% or more of FSNs info is the same has CFNs. they just tend to post it after CFN does. I think it was discussed on here, (or maybe just between UK and I0) but all of their previews were the same as CFNs as well.
The fact that I think Omar Jacobs is the best player in the country and should win the Heisman is irrelevant. I don't get a Heisman vote. For some reason, the award has morphed into being extremely biased toward large school skill position players. I don't like it and I think it should be different, but that's the way it is right now. I'm sorry if you think that makes me a pessimist or a bcs backer but the people who know me or have read a large number of my thoughts on this site know that is anything but the case. My name is what it is because I think Omar should win the Heisman and I believe it is important for our school and fans to push him for the heisman. I am with B.O. in wanting the system to change but I am rooted enough to realize it isn't going to change overnight (this year). That doesn't make me any less of a BG fan nor does it make me a pessimist.
For the record, all of my statements about Omar not winning the heisman have been responses to people saying he has a shot. I'm not out here starting threads saying he has no shot. I'm just offering my opinion that runs counter to some others.
Some of you seem to have misread my sentiments and think that I don't believe Omar should win the heisman. I am a firm believer that Omar will be the most Heisman-worthy candidate come January. My statements are not indictments of Omar or this team, but rather criticisms of the current heisman system. Do I think the system could change over time? Yes. Do I think the accolades given to Ben Roethlisberger, Alex Smith, and now Omar Jacobs move us in the right direction? Of course I do. I just don't believe that the system has changed enough yet to afford Omar an opportunity to win since we lost a game this year.
If he stays next year and we go undefeated or have one loss, I think he will have a very good chance to win. The fact is that the voters will be way to busy fellating Leinart, Bush, and Young this year to give Omar too much thought now that we have dropped off the national radar a little bit. I think that sucks, but I've taken my O&B glasses off long enough to see it.
For those who think my statements are so crazy and out of line, would anybody care to put some money where your mouth is? I'll give 5-1 odds for any amount of money you like that Omar doesn't win the Heisman. Come take this pessimist's money.
It's about getting BGSU's name out there. WIll omar win... no but BGSU will benefit so much by putting his name out there. Anything that brings more to the university i'm all for, and i'm sure omar will agree with me.
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If Omar keeps this up and Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush all break their legs...
Or, let's say Vince Young starts sucking and voters split over whether Leinart or Bush ought to be rewarded with the Heisman because Southern California keeps rolling teams.
And, also, consider geography. Who is the best player in the Midwest right now?
I think it's Omar. I really do. And I'm not even sure it's that close.
A.J. Hawk and Ted Ginn Jr. are reaches. Brian Calhoun is probably the most legit candidate there is in this part of the United States (aside from Omar). He had another very good game last night against North Carolina.
But there is a sort of "insert Wisconsin running back here" quality to voting for Calhoun. The starting tailback at Wisconsin is always going to put up good numbers, and it's very much a team effort over there. They have a whale of a line, and that fullback Matt Bernstein is a complete freak.
So, I do see a chance for voters in Big Ten country to start to coalesce around Omar... and that's probably a sizeable bloc of votes.
I believe this is a partial list of Midwest Heisman voters (there may be errors here; but this is according to heismanprojection.com, which tries to track votes):
-- Andy Baggot, Wisconsin State Journal
-- Angelique Chengelis, The Detroit News
-- Bill Livingston, The Plain Dealer
-- Bob Asmussen, Champaign (Ill.) News-Gazette
-- Bob Hunter, The Columbus Dispatch
-- Dave Dye, The Detroit News
-- David Mayo, Grand Rapids Press
-- Don Doxsie, Quad City Times
-- Drew Sharp, Detroit Free Press
-- Earl Robinson, WKAR Lansing
-- Jack Ebling, WQTX-FM
-- Jeff Potrykus, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
-- John Niyo, The Detroit News
-- Jon Spencer, Gannett News Service (Ohio)
-- Keith Langlois, Oakland Press
-- Lindsay Willhite, Chicago Daily Herald
-- Mike Hlas, Cedar Rapids Gazette
-- Mike Lucas, The (Madison, Wisc.) Capital Times
-- Pete DiPrimio, Fort Wayne News-Sentinel
-- Randy Kindred, Bloomington-Normal Pantagraph
-- Rick Telander, Chicago Sun-Times
-- Ron Rapoport, Chicago Sun-Times
-- Steve Batterson, Quad City (Iowa) Times
-- Teddy Greenstein, Chicago Tribune
-- Tom Oates, Wisconsin State Journal.
Based on this, I would wager:
1. Omar is going to make every Wisconsin writer's ballot, and they are going to continue to keep an eye on him and -- in the process -- keep generating buzz for him. They may, in the end, be tempted to put Calhoun first, but there is a lot of season left -- and it isn't yet established whether Calhoun can do in the Big Ten what he did his first three games.
2. We have a shot with the Ohio voters. Bill Livingston has been pretty fair to the MAC, and he just wrote a column in which he contrasted (in a negative way) the quarterbacks the MAC has managed to recruit with Troy Smith and that Zwick kid. Bob Hunter strikes me as fairly fair to the MAC.
3. A lot of these writers are in play. I see no Heisman candidates in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Iowa. So they ought to at least be open to Omar. And the fact that Omar threw for five touchdown passes and 458 yards against a Wisconsin defense that hasn't yielded a single touchdown to either Temple or North Carolina will impress Midwest voters paying attention.
I wouldn't bet on Omar winning the Heisman. No way.
But his chance isn't zero -- and I think it's unfair to say his chance is zero. I really do. That shortchanges Omar and it shortchanges Bowling Green.
Those are fair points and I se where you're coming from.
I don't think it shortchanges anyone to say he isn't going to win, but I think it is an incredible compliment to Bowling Green and Omar that he will probably make it to NY. For right now I think we should be happy with that accomplishment and look towards the future.
Omar's accomplishments have and will continue to shine a spotlight on our school, and I'm happy with that.
I understand what he's talking about. I don't think saying he has no chance is pessimistic. I view it as fact. I don't trust heisman voters to vote for the best player in college football because they rarely do. They will vote for the most visible player on the best team. 
