"Official" Tie breaker news

jmillerbg · Post by **jmillerbg** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:22 pm

Based on UT loss to NIU tonight, BG Fans are cheering as follows assuming an Akron win against Kent State on Thanksgivig:

A Ball State Win over Central Michigan on Sat.
A Miami Win over Ohio U. on Monday.

If that occurs, BG will have clinched the East Division Title BEFORE the UT game begins on Tuesday night.

BG would win the third tie-breaker (winning percentage of Cross-Division Opponents) over Akron & Miami.

I assume that we need to beat Toledo in order to win the East.

falconman · Post by **falconman** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:33 pm

If western beats northern, that will give Akron ten losses, which should shore up a title for us then.

MiamiBando · Post by **MiamiBando** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:39 am

There is no way for Miami to win any part of the East title. it would be a Co-Championship, between Akron and BG.

I hate crAkron.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:38 pm

Well, Miami beat Ohio tonight, but since CMU beat BSU and NIU beat UT last week, if my understanding of the tie-breaking scenario is up to speed, we just really need to beat Toledo to win the East and get to the MACC. There are now just three games in the MAC remaining: UT @ BG, WMU @ NIU, and KSU @ UA. Obviously, if BG beats UT, we win the East and are in the MACC, etc. But if we lose and both NIU and Akron win (which is likely), we’d be in a three-way tie in the MAC East. With that likely scenario, Miami’s crossover opponents would be 14-10 and BG and Akron’s would be 15-9. So Miami would be eliminated, and Akron would edge BG because of winning head-to-head. So, the bottom line is, we just need to beat Toledo because I do not see NIU or Akron losing their games at home. GO BG!!! BEAT TOLEDO!!!

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:42 pm

So GO FALCONS... if that doesn't work GO BRONCOS

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:46 pm

Dayons_Den wrote:So GO FALCONS... if that doesn't work GO BRONCOS

....and if that doesn't work....GO GOLDEN FLASHES!

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:48 am

Exactly. For Akron to go, ALL three bad things have to happen...

UT Wins
NIU Wins
Kent Wins.

Any one of those three, and we go.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:29 am

orangeandbrown wrote:Exactly. For Akron to go, ALL three bad things have to happen...

UT Wins
NIU Wins
Kent Wins.

Any one of those three, and we go.

I think you meant AKRON WINS for the last one.

If Kent wins, Akron has four losses and we go to the MACC no matter what else happens at this point.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:17 am

Warthog wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:Exactly. For Akron to go, ALL three bad things have to happen...

UT Wins
NIU Wins
Kent Wins.

Any one of those three, and we go.
I think you meant AKRON WINS for the last one. If Kent wins, Akron has four losses and we go to the MACC no matter what else happens at this point.

Duh. Right. I got confused between what they needed and what we needed. Let's win tonight and put the Zips and their charming little Thanksgiving affair out of relavence.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:22 am

It is weird how every play counts when it comes down to these tie-breakers at this point in the season. The other day in the Ball State game, the Cardinals were leading CMU 21-17 with 1:51 to play and were punting to the Chippewas. The punt was blocked and resulted in a TD for CMU to give them the lead. BSU ended up tying it but lost in OT. You almost think, had they got the punt off, with Miami's win last night, BSU likely wins and we'd have already clinched. I also think that if PJ Pope didn't fumble at the goalline against Akron, we'd have beaten Akron too.....but woulda, coulda, shoulda...I know. It just would be so sweet to beat UT tonight though!!!

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:13 am

BGSU33 wrote:I also think that if PJ Pope didn't fumble at the goalline against Akron, we'd have beaten Akron too.....but woulda, coulda, shoulda...I know. It just would be so sweet to beat UT tonight though!!!

Mr. Peabody, turn the Way Back Machine to 1985, Fresno, California.

The Falcons take the opening kickoff and march right down the field. They fumble on the goal line and lose possession. The rest, as they say, is history.

I often wonder if the outcome of that game would have been drastically different if the Falcons had punched it in on that opening drive.

And, yes, I am obsessed with that game.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:31 am

The MAC should find a way to change the tie breaker to a winer take all single game. Being able to beat us when we were down is one thing, and another when we are healthy like now. Using games from the past to determine the future is just so wrong, as wrong as having a rule that if you turn the ball over on downs inside the what.. the 10 they other team gets the ball on the 20 which is more likely than not what gave the zips the win in the first place.
Oh well folks are at the doyt now drinking away....and waiting.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:38 am

MACMAN wrote:as wrong as having a rule that if you turn the ball over on downs inside the what.. the 10 they other team gets the ball on the 20 which is more likely than not what gave the zips the win in the first place.

I think that was a fumble into the end zone, recovered by Akron and a touchback. I don't believe there is any rule such as the one you describe.

It would be tough to schedule another game at this point. Much as it hurts my team, you have to win the games when they are played to be a champion.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:57 am

MACMAN wrote:The MAC should find a way to change the tie breaker to a winer take all single game. Being able to beat us when we were down is one thing, and another when we are healthy like now. Using games from the past to determine the future is just so wrong

Bull. Being able to win no matter what is what counts. Thats like saying a rainy day cost us a game so it should be replayed when its dry. If you don't have enough quality guys to fill all the gaps when someone is hurt, then your team lacks depth and isn't great. A great team wins with injuries and when they're down. Akron took advantage and beat us. A dumb rule like that could never conviebly work. What happens if the other team is down during that single game play, play another one.

BG_Kiwi · Post by **BG_Kiwi** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:23 am

MACMAN wrote:Using games from the past to determine the future is just so wrong.

I don't see how that can be avoided. If we can't use results from past games to determine who goes to the playoffs, how else can we do it? Play another game, you say. But once the game is played, it's in the past, too. Should we then play another game? This could go on forever.