Omar article - leave or stay???

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:18 pm

http://www.bgnews.com/vnews/display.v/A ... 3d45f1943f

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:32 pm

"With a difficult schedule next year featuring Ohio State, Wisconsin and Boise State Jacobs has a chance to face off against some of the toughest teams in college football. He can learn to read defenses and how to think fast during a blitz."

Or he can get injured and never play football again.

"So Omar, for your own good, come back to Bowling Green for your senior season."

Is this kid going to reimburse Omar for the millions he would lose if something happens to him, God forbid?
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Falcon52 · Post by **Falcon52** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:45 pm

Omar will not go the first day. If he stays he will not be losing millions. Because he won't be making millions in the NFL. The NFL lately hates projects. They want impact palyers now. It takes all they have just to sit a player like Carson Palmer for a year. Omar is a long term investment project for any NFL team. Yes, physically he is great. He still needs a ton of work. There are several cons that he needs time to work on. One is his leadership ability. He is a very passive quiet guy. NFL likes strong vocal leaders who will take charge of a situation or game. Omar needs to work on that.

Don't get me wrong, he has a ton going for him. More than most. I don't see it as being this big gamble for him to stay. Now if it was strongly beleived that he would go 1st or 2nd round then he should go. I don't beleive that to be the case. I will feel really bad for him if he elects to come out and he slips to day 2 or even 3rd round. Charlie Fry was drafted in the 3rd round last year I think, and he is not making big money. He almost didn't make the team.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:57 pm

Anybody that can stick around in the NFL for some years makes millions (maybe not just in one year). That includes back-up quarterbacks. The problem for many of these guys is they can't manage their money after they make it.

Charlie Fry was drafted in the 3rd round last year I think, and he is not making big money. He almost didn't make the team.

You and I have a different definition of big money. There was never a doubt as to whether he would make the team.

Falcon52 · Post by **Falcon52** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:10 pm

I just think Omar has more to gain, long term if he stays. The NFL talks a ton about getting snaps. I think unless he you are a slam dunk impact player, the extra year of snaps in my mind could be worth millions to him down the road.

And actually there was question about Charlie at first. Someone else can fill in the details, but I seem to remember the Browns bringing in someone else to be the #2 guy. A Johnson maybe??? He got hurt and Josh and Charlie were left competing for the spot. Josh did not practice well.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:19 pm

San Diego Falcon wrote:Is this kid going to reimburse Omar for the millions he would lose if something happens to him, God forbid?

No, but I'm sure Lloyd's of London would be more than happy to if Omar took out a professional athlete high limit disability insurance plan that are available for college stars. Talented athletes may decide to stay in school rather than take early entry into the draft. There is a risk of sustaining a career ending disability during the final college years. These plans are available to insure the future value of a professional career.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:33 pm

San Diego Falcon wrote:Is this kid going to reimburse Omar for the millions he would lose if something happens to him, God forbid?

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I actually thought it was a good article. I also hope Omar comes back, and feel Omar should come back. Now I'm not an NFL scout, but I really think Omar could help himself both developmentally and financially with another year in college. As far as injuries go, in football, it's not if you get hurt, it's when. You will get hurt at some point. Fortunately, most injuries are not career-ending or career-threatening. I said most. Many athletes in this type of situation can take out an insurance policy to help compensate for such a case. The bottom line is, only Omar knows, or will soon know, if he is coming back next year. I like many of you really hope he does. A shot at a future in the NFL is going to be there for him this year or next, but I really feel another year in college could help him in more ways than one.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:44 pm

I can not say what he will do, i know we will all hear his decision very soon and that is a relief. Yet, he is still listed as a top prospect on many draft sites this week. that news of course may contradict what he hears back from the real decision makers. Stay or go its all exciting.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:45 pm

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Is this kid going to reimburse Omar for the millions he would lose if something happens to him, God forbid?

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I actually thought it was a good article. I also hope Omar comes back, and feel Omar should come back. Now I'm not an NFL scout, but I really think Omar could help himself both developmentally and financially with another year in college. As far as injuries go, in football, it's not if you get hurt, it's when. You will get hurt at some point. Fortunately, most injuries are not career-ending or career-threatening. I said most. Many athletes in this type of situation can take out an insurance policy to help compensate for such a case. The bottom line is, only Omar knows, or will soon know, if he is coming back next year. I like many of you really hope he does. A shot at a future in the NFL is going to be there for him this year or next, but I really feel another year in college could help him in more ways than one.
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I actually agree with everybody who thinks Omar should stay another year. I guess I perceived some pompous college kid writing as though he knows better than anyone as to what he should do. But then again, I guess that's what we do all the time on here so I guess I should just relax. It's Monday.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:48 pm

San Diego Falcon wrote:Now I'm not an NFL scout, but I really think Omar could help himself both developmentally and financially with another year in college.

I read this line three times and kept seeing that scene from "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" ... "Everyone has a big but ... let's talk about your big but ..."

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:51 pm

Falcon52 wrote: And actually there was question about Charlie at first. Someone else can fill in the details, but I seem to remember the Browns bringing in someone else to be the #2 guy. A Johnson maybe??? He got hurt and Josh and Charlie were left competing for the spot. Josh did not practice well.

Charlie was NEVER in danger of not making the team. You rarely, if ever, cut first day draft picks their rookie years. Especially QBs.

Going into the training camp this season the Browns QB Depth Chart was Trent Dilfer, Josh Harris, and Charlie Frye. Harris had no regular season experience, and Frye was a rookie. The Browns brought in Doug Johnson to be the veteran backup to Dilfer, because you don't want to count on rookie QBs (even those taken in the 1st round). As training camp went on Harris & Johnson both looked awful, and Frye had a spectacular preseason. Frye earned the #2 job outright, and Harris was cut leaving Johnson at #3. A little bit into the season Doug Johnson was cut because the Browns had faith in Charlie as the #2 guy so they brought in another project type from the Ravens practice squad (his name eludes me).

Most teams would tell you that ideally they would never play a rookie QB, but usually they're forced to through injuries or being a bad team. Guys taken in the first round get a ton of money and if the team stinks they're pressured into playing the rook when they don't want to.

As for Omar, I think he is probably a first day pick. If I compare him to Charlie Frye I think he's about even. Frye had a HUGE advantage in the intangibles department, but Omar is much more physically gifted. Knowing how the NFL works I think they'll give the edge to the physically talented player and he would be ranked ahead of Frye. To me Frye was a safe pick that could make a solid starter, but will likely not be a superstar. Omar is a more boom/bust type in that he could become a superstar or he could fall flat on his face if he doesn't develop mentally.

Teams shy away from projects, you are correct, but not at the QB position. Nobody ever expects a QB to come in and play well right away, so basically they're all seen as projects. It just comes down to which one looks to be the safest bet. You can also bet on there being 2-4 QBs taken in Round one, regardless of how good they are. In that regard it becomes a matter of not how great a QB really is, but how great he is compared to the other QBs in the draft. This could be where Omar decides to bolt, because this year's QB draft is awful. After Leinart there is not another legit 1st round talent in the senior class. Hackney & Cutler are decent 1st day picks, but would probably still grade below Omar if he declares. Quinn & Young are two that would definitely be ahead of Omar if they declare.

My personal opinion is that Young declares and is the only Junior (other than possibly Omar) to do so. If Young is his only other competition I think Omar should declare, because he'll likely be the 3rd QB taken and would quite possibly be in the first round. If guys like Stanton, Vick, and/or Quinn declare then Omar should definitely think about returning to BG for another year.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:06 pm

Ihave a question? Who is our Qb coach? Why not bring in a guy who is known for developing Qbs for a year? They run those summer QB schools for HS'ers can we hire one of those guys to be the Qb coach for a year and then see from there? Wouldnt that be a good investment for the team, university and the QB guru?

04forheisman · Post by **04forheisman** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:07 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote:Ihave a question? Who is our Qb coach? Why not bring in a guy who is known for developing Qbs for a year? They run those summer QB schools for HS'ers can we hire one of those guys to be the Qb coach for a year and then see from there? Wouldnt that be a good investment for the team, university and the QB guru?

Are you paying for it?

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:25 pm

Our QB coach is Mick McCall, and I think he's considered to be a pretty good one. Josh Harris certainly improved during his time here, and so Omar.

BGSU2005 · Post by **BGSU2005** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:37 am

Good points hammb. You said a lot of what I was going to, so I appreciate you sparing me all that typing. One point, and I promise this, Stanton will stay at MSU for his senior year. I still think Young and Quinn come out for sure.