Ohio State and thoughts on BG

[Falconfreak90]

Why Heidleberg? Not sure...my mom wanted me to apply to at least 3 different size schools and for some reason I chose Heidleberg...it was over 20 years ago.

Are you sure it isn't because you always dreamed of being a "Student Prince"?

Hmmm....could be! Somehow, FALCON just sounded so much cooler...and there were many more babes at BG.

[Jamie Gillis]

You are selling BG students short to say they couldn't get accepted at OSU.

Maybe things were different in the eighties, but did you even compare the current class numbers?

The average enrolled student at BG has an ACT score between 21-22 and graduated at about the 60th percentile of his high school class. If that student applies to Ohio State, their application doesn't even get a second look. Unless you run a 4.4/40 or are a projected NBA lottery pick, nobody gets into Ohio State today with a 22 ACT.

Again, looking at the data, I would say that one out of five--maybe one out of four--BG students could get into Ohio State. Even if the number is one out two, which is a statistic impossibility, that still gives zero room for a BG board to be ripping on osu academics.

[Falconfreak90]

You are selling BG students short to say they couldn't get accepted at OSU.

Maybe things were different in the eighties, but did you even compare the current class numbers?

The average enrolled student at BG has an ACT score between 21-22 and graduated at about the 60th percentile of his high school class. If that student applies to Ohio State, their application doesn't even get a second look. Unless you run a 4.4/40 or are a projected NBA lottery pick, nobody gets into Ohio State today with a 22 ACT.

Again, looking at the data, I would say that one out of five--maybe one out of four--BG students could get into Ohio State. Even if the number is one out two, which is a statistic impossibility, that still gives zero room for a BG board to be ripping on osu academics.

"You can spin the data anyway you want..."

I believe these were your words.

[Jamie Gillis]

You are selling BG students short to say they couldn't get accepted at OSU.

Maybe things were different in the eighties, but did you even compare the current class numbers?

The average enrolled student at BG has an ACT score between 21-22 and graduated at about the 60th percentile of his high school class. If that student applies to Ohio State, their application doesn't even get a second look. Unless you run a 4.4/40 or are a projected NBA lottery pick, nobody gets into Ohio State today with a 22 ACT.

Again, looking at the data, I would say that one out of five--maybe one out of four--BG students could get into Ohio State. Even if the number is one out two, which is a statistic impossibility, that still gives zero room for a BG board to be ripping on osu academics.

"You can spin the data anyway you want..."

I believe these were your words.

Fair enough! Would you care to take the data and put your big brain to use in showing me statistically how a majority of BG students could get accepted to a university with such higher numbers/admission standards. Explain it to me, genius.

Or you can feed your ridiculous hate and sit around pretending that 1+1=3. You can believe whatever you want, but you just make yourself, and by extension BG, look foolish in spouting this nonsense.

[Falconfreak90]

One plus one doesn't equal three??? Dang.

Wow...first time all day I've been referred to as genius! thanks!

As far as hate? Nah, it is much more defending the university that provided me with a great education that I use every day in the business world. An education that has helped me stay employed through a career change. An education that allows me to provide a very good quality of life for myself and my family. An education at a place where the people are genuine and care.

Aren't you a BG student at this time? You are selling yourself short as well, if you are. And maybe you should transfer to OSU if BGSU isn't "good enough".

[TG1996]

Whew! How about that bowl game we've got coming up!?!?

[CapitalFalcon]

You are selling BG students short to say they couldn't get accepted at OSU.

I don't think Jamie said none of BG's student's could get into OSU. I believe he said a majority couldn't. There are always going to be outliers. Just look at your example. You picked BG, in large part, because of your parents and sister. My brother did the same thing. But the numbers are what they are.

And Jamie also has a point...When you blindly defend a point or institution at all costs, that they could do no wrong, that is fanaticism. That what I thought we all hate about partisan politics...DEFEND THE PARTY AT ALL COSTS! Brings to mind the Iraqi Communications Minister saying they Americans are not in Baghdad as US tanks were rolling in behind him...

[Jamie Gillis]

One plus one doesn't equal three??? Dang.

Wow...first time all day I've been referred to as genius! thanks!

As far as hate? Nah, it is much more defending the university that provided me with a great education that I use every day in the business world. An education that has helped me stay employed through a career change. An education that allows me to provide a very good quality of life for myself and my family. An education at a place where the people are genuine and care.

Aren't you a BG student at this time? You are selling yourself short as well, if you are. And maybe you should transfer to OSU if BGSU isn't "good enough".

Actually, I'm recently graduated and working. Plan on entering an MBA program in Fall of '09. Even if that happens to be at osu, BG is my alma mater and will always receive my attention, donations and fan support.

As far as osu goes, I was accepted. The difference was an honors acceptance to BG with a nice merit package or a borderline osu acceptance and having to finance college by myself. I made the right choice and have never been disappointed that I didn't go to osu and certainly have never tried to vicariously attach myself to osu by rooting for its sports teams.

I love BG, and the only point that I was trying to make is that one can talk up BG and discuss the great things going on there without trashing osu or making unsubstantiated claims of how BG stacks up against osu. In fact, I believe that in doing so, one just takes attention away from any positive BG message that's trying to be conveyed. That kind of forced me into the role of osu defender, but I don't consider a realistic and honest look at those admissions numbers to be selling anyone, least of all myself, short. I just look at it as being realistic.

[CapitalFalcon]

As far as hate? Nah, it is much more defending the university that provided me with a great education that I use every day in the business world. An education that has helped me stay employed through a career change. An education that allows me to provide a very good quality of life for myself and my family. An education at a place where the people are genuine and care.

I somewhat disagree with your point. After x-number of years, where your college education came from begins to diminish. Let's take 2 examples, and BG Grad and a Harvard Grad. 20 years into both their careers, if the BG Grad produces, and the Harvard Grad doesn't, the BG grad is going to outpace the Harvard Grad...

Where your education matters is landing your first job. I guarantee you that, right or wrong, the more prestigious the institution, the easier it will be to land your first job with more responsibility and most likely higher pay. In my case, I am with one of the Big Four consultancies. When I was trying to find a job after grad school (both undergrad and grad degrees from BG, BTW) I applied at all the strat firms...Bain, McKinsey, Booz Allen, Monitor... Nothing...Not even a phone interview. (Oh...and those standardized test scores that you like to just slough-off...Yeah...To those firms, those scores matter...A lot).

When I was accepted at my firm, I was brought in as a consultant, where MBAs from Michigan, Michigan State, etc. were brought in at a Sr. Consultant level. Why? To get into most of those grad programs, you have to have a minimum of 5 years work experience. During your classes, you are doing consulting projects that the university works to line-up, many of those with large firms and some even in Foreign Countries. Now you get a kid with a Bachelors and Masters degree from BG, with a 22 on his ACT, and his work experience was working with some small organization in Toledo as his internship, and then you get a kid with a bachelors and Masters from OSU, 5 years work experience, 27 on his ACT, and did his internship with a Israeli multi-national corporation, who are you going to pick?

That being said, I am glad I went to BG. I have been quite successful. But I have had to prove that I am just as smart, just as good, and just as hardworking as the UM, OSU, Columbia, and Harvard grads...But the great thing is, that since I was able to finally reach parity with these people in 7 years time, there's one thing I don't have that they do have...Student debt!

[h2oville rocket]

When you blindly defend a point or institution at all costs, that they could do no wrong, that is fanaticism.

"A website by Bowling Green Falcon fans, for Bowling Green Falcon fans". "Fans", of course, being short for "fanatics"- those who practice fanaticism. I know, I know- what am I doing here...

[Falconfreak90]

As far as hate? Nah, it is much more defending the university that provided me with a great education that I use every day in the business world. An education that has helped me stay employed through a career change. An education that allows me to provide a very good quality of life for myself and my family. An education at a place where the people are genuine and care.

I somewhat disagree with your point. After x-number of years, where your college education came from begins to diminish. Let's take 2 examples, and BG Grad and a Harvard Grad. 20 years into both their careers, if the BG Grad produces, and the Harvard Grad doesn't, the BG grad is going to outpace the Harvard Grad...

Where your education matters is landing your first job. I guarantee you that, right or wrong, the more prestigious the institution, the easier it will be to land your first job with more responsibility and most likely higher pay. In my case, I am with one of the Big Four consultancies. When I was trying to find a job after grad school (both undergrad and grad degrees from BG, BTW) I applied at all the strat firms...Bain, McKinsey, Booz Allen, Monitor... Nothing...Not even a phone interview. (Oh...and those standardized test scores that you like to just slough-off...Yeah...To those firms, those scores matter...A lot).

When I was accepted at my firm, I was brought in as a consultant, where MBAs from Michigan, Michigan State, etc. were brought in at a Sr. Consultant level. Why? To get into most of those grad programs, you have to have a minimum of 5 years work experience. During your classes, you are doing consulting projects that the university works to line-up, many of those with large firms and some even in Foreign Countries. Now you get a kid with a Bachelors and Masters degree from BG, with a 22 on his ACT, and his work experience was working with some small organization in Toledo as his internship, and then you get a kid with a bachelors and Masters from OSU, 5 years work experience, 27 on his ACT, and did his internship with a Israeli multi-national corporation, who are you going to pick?

That being said, I am glad I went to BG. I have been quite successful. But I have had to prove that I am just as smart, just as good, and just as hardworking as the UM, OSU, Columbia, and Harvard grads...But the great thing is, that since I was able to finally reach parity with these people in 7 years time, there's one thing I don't have that they do have...Student debt!

I'm sorry you've had to prove yourself to be just as good as the others simply for the fact of where you went to school. When I was in radio, Program Directors knew BGSU was an excellent school for Radio, TV & Film and knew all about BG. I am now in sales and am still using my communications degree I earned 17 years ago. I will always be a communicator in some form so I don't think my degree will diminish no matter what school I attended.

And I don't care about Harvard...I prefer Yale.

[1987alum]

Capital: Once slight distinction I've noticed is in terms of MBAs. I've been on the "business" side of things for a bit, but a lot of folks will discount my MBA because it's from a small university. Meanwhile, if you say "Wharton" it seems like they hand you a Cuban and say "welcome to the Big Bucks Club."

[BGFalconfromCincy]

Whew! How about that bowl game we've got coming up!?!?

[CapitalFalcon]

Capital: Once slight distinction I've noticed is in terms of MBAs. I've been on the "business" side of things for a bit, but a lot of folks will discount my MBA because it's from a small university. Meanwhile, if you say "Wharton" it seems like they hand you a Cuban and say "welcome to the Big Bucks Club."

Exactly 87! But Freak, no need to apologise...I'm glad things worked out the way they have. I was merely pointing out the fact that no matter how passionate we are for our alma mater, the facts are facts. We alumni, for the most part, love the freakin' place. I always enjoy when I go back, and when I used to live in Detroit, I would always reflect fondly as I drove by.

But there are certain things that OSU is much better at than we are (football, research, etc.) and there are things we are better at (Pop culture, I/O Psychology, etc.)

[Flipper]

I'll tell you where BGSU students get screwed...we don't have a "Skull and Bones" chapter. All of them Presidential types and inbred muckity mucks were Skull and Bones members. We've been deprived of our chance to join the elite and breed with chicks named Muffy (it actually says Muffy on their driver's licenses) because we have neither Skull nor Bones...although I did have a bon...never mind.

Unless...there is a chapter and I was snubbed....nah, too farfetched.