Who is Brandon's successor if he leaves?

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I have no problems with a good full back as opposed to the 2nd TE. I like to run the counter, a la Joe Gibbs. That is the best play in the history of football, and if run properly cannot be stopped.

Throw a FB into the mix to lead the hole, I got no qualms with that.

You can also rest assured that we won't be taking 4:00 to score if we're down by 21 in the 4th quarter either! :evil:
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hammb wrote:
1987alum wrote:I pick ... ME!

I see hammb as my offensive coordinator and Freak as my DC.
If I'm the OC we're canning this spread crap and becoming a power running team. Gimme some hogs up front and some speed at TB.
Good luck recruiting them.
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Schadenfreude wrote:
hammb wrote:
1987alum wrote:I pick ... ME!

I see hammb as my offensive coordinator and Freak as my DC.
If I'm the OC we're canning this spread crap and becoming a power running team. Gimme some hogs up front and some speed at TB.
Good luck recruiting them.
NIU doesn't seem to have a problem. UT has a good stable of them, and could run my offense. Heck, EMU has a good group of OL & RB. That's just in the MAC. Fresno St. runs a similar offense to what I would run, but they're in Cali.

Actually I think we have the personnel on this very team to run my offense. We've got some big, talented young OL guys and some darn good RBs.
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I like the spread. You can run the ball out of it if you have OL that can move their feet well enough to pull effectively. You don't even need the FB if you motion the TE or pull the guard. You do have to start stretching the field vertically eventually though. We haven't been very effective doing that

I think our problems have stemmed from execution rather than design. The OL didn't pass block well last friday, particularly on 3rd down, We dropped a few and it looked like Omar was taking the safety valve rather than trying to stretch the defense vertically. As he gets more comfortable back there, I'm sure we'll improve.
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Flipper wrote:I like the spread. You can run the ball out of it if you have OL that can move their feet well enough to pull effectively. You don't even need the FB if you motion the TE or pull the guard. You do have to start stretching the field vertically eventually though. We haven't been very effective doing that

I think our problems have stemmed from execution rather than design. The OL didn't pass block well last friday, particularly on 3rd down, We dropped a few and it looked like Omar was taking the safety valve rather than trying to stretch the defense vertically. As he gets more comfortable back there, I'm sure we'll improve.
I'm not saying you cannot run the ball from the spread, you certainly can. When our offense is truly clicking we're among the best rushing teams in the country.

I just don't like the entire thought of the spread, and I never have. It is a gimmicky offense, that just doesn't fit my style of football.
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I'm with Flipper on this one. I enjoy the spread offense cause I believe it gives you more options than the power running game. However, I do agree with Hammb that nothing in football is more demoralizing than having the ball rammed down you're throat for a full 4 quarters of football, not to mention its a lot more fun from an offensive lineman perspective (being a former one myself a long long long time ago).

I think that part of Miami's problem last night was that after they got their first two 2 TD's they went away from the run and it hurt them the rest of the game, IMO. Well that and they couldn't block any one on the O line, but anyway.

The problem with the smash mouth football game is that to make it work you need a talented group of wideouts to stretch the field to pull the safety's out of the box and to keep linebackers worried about the play action, otherwise the running game goes no where and you're stuck in difficult 3rd down positions, where you know you're going to get blitzed and you're success rate is horrible.

If I was OC, I'd run a variation of the spread offense, but i'd run out of it 65% of the time. And throw the ball deep 10% of the time, and position throws the other 25 %. But then again what the heck do I know about coaching football??
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I think Charlotte you are similar to what I'm saying. I have no problems going to 3 & 4 wide occasionally. What I hate is using these pseudo screen passes to be your running game. They're about a million times more dangerous than a run, and only marginally more successful. I cannot stand the bubble screen, nor do I like every pass play to be a 4 yard dink & dunk.

I'm not talking about a plod it out running game necessarily either. I want to average about 4.0-5.0 ypc, but I want a back with HR potential.

I just don't like the emphasis on short "safe" passes that we've had the last 2 years. You've got to spread the field Vertically as well as horizontally.
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Just to bug you hammb, I'm going to say you want Michigan's offense. They can run the ball down your throat and they have great WR's that can can kill you deep. Chad Henne is a stud in the making

Go Blue!!

I will agree with you on this, I'd be more comfortable in the red zone if we had more of a power football mindset. It's tough to change gears like that mentally if your doing somehting philosphically different though.

I don't know if the spread is "gimmicky" though. I think that's an ethnocentric point of view geared towards a midwestern mind set that revolves around eating a lot of red meat. :)
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Flipper wrote:Just to bug you hammb, I'm going to say you want Michigan's offense. They can run the ball down your throat and they have great WR's that can can kill you deep. Chad Henne is a stud in the making

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Actually the football tactician in me LOVES Michigan's offense. They build it around a stout OL, usually one of the best in the country. They also put size/speed guys on the outside to stretch the field vertically. A big QB who can get the ball downfield, with some athleticism/mobility in the center of it all. All the current UM offense lacks is a true stud tailback. Even the freshman who is running well, I don't see him as a truly great tailback yet, he just doesn't make people miss him much. Even still with that OL & scheme if you can spot a hole and hit it you'll be adequate.

I cannot stand UM, and I don't think they're a particularly well coached team either. However, their offensive scheme is nearly identical to what I would run. Actually, OSU's is pretty much what I'd run too. The difference is that since MoC left OSU hasn't had a tailback that could see a hole in swiss cheese. It still pains me that Lydell I'll run up my OLs asses, gained the kind of yardage against us that he did. That guy couldn't start on 5 MAC teams.
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hammb wrote:
Flipper wrote:Just to bug you hammb, I'm going to say you want Michigan's offense. They can run the ball down your throat and they have great WR's that can can kill you deep. Chad Henne is a stud in the making

Go Blue!!
Actually the football tactician in me LOVES Michigan's offense. They build it around a stout OL, usually one of the best in the country. They also put size/speed guys on the outside to stretch the field vertically. A big QB who can get the ball downfield, with some athleticism/mobility in the center of it all. All the current UM offense lacks is a true stud tailback. Even the freshman who is running well, I don't see him as a truly great tailback yet, he just doesn't make people miss him much. Even still with that OL & scheme if you can spot a hole and hit it you'll be adequate.

I cannot stand UM, and I don't think they're a particularly well coached team either. However, their offensive scheme is nearly identical to what I would run. Actually, OSU's is pretty much what I'd run too. The difference is that since MoC left OSU hasn't had a tailback that could see a hole in swiss cheese. It still pains me that Lydell I'll run up my OLs asses, gained the kind of yardage against us that he did. That guy couldn't start on 5 MAC teams.


But when your OL blows the DL off the line that bad, you dont need to be that skilled of a TB to get stats.
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If the "spread", or its predecosser the "run and shoot" offense is so great, why do no pro teams and no major college top programs run this offense? Running this offense is akin to admitting that we do not have the "football skills" to beat another team playing a traditional offense. It is a gimmick to try to gain an advantage. While it works great between the 20's, it has limited success when you approach the goal line since you can no longer "spread" the defense out and your advantage is gone. IMO. :)
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Plenty of teams run the west coast offense and that's not too far off philosphically from the spread. I think most teams in the NFL have a little bit of everyting in their offense. Given the speed and skills of the defensive players, you have to be able to run multiple sets to be effective.
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MAN! All this talk about running the football is making my heart race!

I think I'll go hit something.

I would love to see us go to a two back type offense. Unfortunately, I think our recruiting would be hurt by the change in philosophy.
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For those of you who truly know me and it's few . . . this will come at no surprise . . . it's similar to the post when, THE MAN, Urban Legend, took off as well . . . Allow me to say this since I've been busy all week . . . At this point, I would absolutely not shed a tear at all if Brandon went to Vegas. They are prioritizing sports and that's great. It's more cash for him and a coach only has so many chances to do that . . . More power to him . . . BUT, we hired Paul Krebs for a reason and it's reasons like this and that's why under no foreseeable circumstances should the players be able to pick, demand and/or name the next coach like they did with Gregg Brandon. In my opinion with numerous posts on how I feel, Greg Studrawa simply freaks out in big game situations and abandons the offense that many of us love and what has brought us to the conversations of major college football. Tim Beckman is a young, bright coach. However, his defensive playcalling is too timid for me to put faith in him running the whole show. I wouldn't mind having him around as a recruiter, but as a coordinator and possible head coach, I think he gets more press than he deserves.

So, if in fact, the rumors are true, you present the drawings and the checking account for the SAC and improve the marketing of Bowling Green football to a wider fanbase and go and get your coach to bring us to the next level. I'm a firm believer that you do not enter into coaching to be a life-long assistant. For these reasons and many others, here's the list . . .

1. Brock Spack, Defensive Coordinator PURDUE . . . Strike while the iron is hot. Spack is a top recruiter in the state of Texas and while the O gets all the hype in West Lafayette, any Purdue fan will tell you it's the defense that's the reason they went to Pasadena and continue to compete for the Big Ten title. In my mind, he will be given the opportunity to be the next coach at Purdue, but let's see what he has for the rest of Tiller's contract (4-5 years).

2. Terry Malone, Former BOWLING GREEN QB and current MICHIGAN offensive coordinator. I think he wants to open it up, but Lloyd Carr won't let him. The stalling UM offense isn't his fault. Absolutely big time recruiter and has all the connections as a Falcon to bring us to the next level.

3. Fred Jackson, MICHIGAN wide receivers coach and former recruiting coordinator. Can you say David Terrell? Charles Woodson? Drew Henson? A-Train? Freddie is responsible for all of them . . .

4. Bobby Simmons, Former head coach at OKLAHOMA STATE, BOWLING GREEN ALUM and current assistant somewhere (it's escaping me) . . . Credibility and again, a guy who's been to the top and can absolutely recruit and take us to the next level.

5. Jim Bollman, OHIO STATE offensive coordinator, No list of vacancies in Ohio isn't complete without mentioning the hated Buckeyes . . . I think he is the most proven candidate.

Those are it for now . . .
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should add Oklahoma's oc ( Wilson) to the list former Miami asst and Northwestern oc
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