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PGY Tiercel wrote:
CapitalFalcon wrote: Sorry for the confusion. my comment of "I don't see that happening" was the fact of him making the team and doing well. I think he will get drafted. I just am not convinced he will make it (God do I hope I am wrong). But many of the same people that are saying Omar is going to do fantastic in the NFL were shown to be wrong and those same people thought that thought Harris was better than Rothlisberger. Again, one just won the Super Bowl, the other is not in the league any more.
Harris is still in the NFL. He has just recently signed a Futures Contract with the Giants, so he isn't completely out yet. Give him some more time, he'll win his super bowl. :wink:
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Wow. Looks like the hoops blow-harding has migrated back over to the football forum...
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Optimistic PGY wrote: Harris is still in the NFL. He has just recently signed a Futures Contract with the Giants, so he isn't completely out yet. Give him some more time, he'll win his super bowl. :wink:
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Deal then, as long as your buying tickets, I'm still a grad student and probably won't have a real job before he gets there. I'll buy the beer though. :D
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CapitalFalcon wrote:A -- I call them two losses...Son, close only counts in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades. ;)
B -- Correct...A Solid QB, but I would not call him "Great." Plus, he faced very different competition playing for Miami (FL)
C -- Drew...You know what happens when you assume...
D -- Uh...OK...But I don't think anyone is going to draft a QB purely on that they can check down field for receivers.
A -- And Nuclear Bombs. You simply said he hadn't faced good competition and I gave you two examples of some pretty good football teams that Omar had good games against. Hell, the guy had a pretty good game in his first ever start AT OKLAHOMA.
B -- Saying Omar will fail because of mechanics and Young will succeed is BS. They both have "bad mechanics." I still haven't seen a QB who gets the ball out quicker than Omar.
C -- Let's be honest, MAC has not equaled great defenses as of late. If you think that Omar couldn't put up at least 300 against Kent State you're an idiot.
D -- No, but decent feet, great accuracy, an above average long ball, and a smart football player will get him drafted.
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BGDrew wrote: A -- What do you call Oklahoma and Wisconsin?
B -- Bernie Kosar
C -- The guy was injured for 3 of the games this season. Assuming he throws for 300/game for those he would have thrown for nearly 3400 yards (would have been good enough for top ten in the nation)
D -- He might have some learning to do as far as audibling goes, but let's not forget that he always had at least 4 WRs per play. Being able to check down wide receivers is a skill that's hard to teach at the pro level.

Matt Leinart will be a bust, mark my words.
A -- I call that two solid teams. Now list the solid teams other guys with messed up mechanics played (Vince Young or Phillip Rivers, for example). Playing Oklahoma and Wisonsin each once doesn't mean you played strong competition.

B -- Bernie, ok, you named one from The U. Want me to name a whole bunch of guys with normal throwing motions? Bernie is an exception, not a rule.

C -- I know he was hurt, hence the lukewarm numbers compared to his previous year. As for the other poster who said many QBs would kill for those "lukewarm" numbers -- I'm sure a lot of QB's would kill for Omar's offense and competition too.

D -- having 4 receiver sets is a bad thing for a QB prospect, especially in a lower rated conference and always in the shotgun. If they based it on things like this -- David Klingler would be a stud. Hell every QB from Houston would be a stud.

Matt Leinart -- you think he's a bust, fine -- your opinion. I'll make a bet with you -- if Omar has a better career in the NFL, I'll quit posting for good. If Leinart does, you quit posting for good.

Deal?

FROM YOUR LAST POST:
A -- And Nuclear Bombs. You simply said he hadn't faced good competition and I gave you two examples of some pretty good football teams that Omar had good games against. Hell, the guy had a pretty good game in his first ever start AT OKLAHOMA.
B -- Saying Omar will fail because of mechanics and Young will succeed is BS. They both have "bad mechanics." I still haven't seen a QB who gets the ball out quicker than Omar.
C -- Let's be honest, MAC has not equaled great defenses as of late. If you think that Omar couldn't put up at least 300 against Kent State you're an idiot.
D -- No, but decent feet, great accuracy, an above average long ball, and a smart football player will get him drafted.
A -- addressed above.
B -- The difference is, Vince Young played awesome competition, is a better athlete, has more upside, etc. He's big time. His main question mark is his mechanics, Omar has many other question marks (offense, competition, etc).
C -- agree with you.
D -- agree.
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CapitalFalcon wrote:Now hold on a second...A few months ago during football season, the vast majority of people on this board were talking about how Jacobs was no Harris. That of the two, Harris was the better QB. So needless to say, Harris and Jacobs are similar. Well...Harris made it into the NFL, he just couldn't stay there. Say what you want about the MAC not getting respect or how everyone's out to bash BG. But the truth of the matter is, Big Ben made it to the NFL, and in his second year, he has a SUper Bowl ring. Harris is not even in the league anymore...Or maybe he is. He's in and out so much I have lost track. Now this is nothing against Harris. I thought he was tremendous during his time here. The same with Omar. But once again, they are unknown quantities.

Now you can talk about how Omar was the most accurate passer to ever put on the uniform. Harris was lightening fast, but again. Who did we beat of any consequence? All I know is that Ben R. TORCHED a VERY GOOD Bowling Green squad, not once, but twice! Sure we racked up a lot of points when both of those kids were on the field, but nothing spectacular. There were no HUGE upsets, except for Purdue. We lost to OSU. We lost to Wisconsin. We lost to Boise State. If we would have beat Wisconsin and Boise this year, I think Omar would be sitting pretty. But I don't think he should have gone pro this year. I think if he would have stayed an additional year, and proven that he could dust himself off and have a year like 04 after a year like 05, he would have helped himself out a lot. But the risk is that you have an 06 like 05 again, which would hurt his draft chances even more, but then you would have to start considering does he even belong in the NFL.

That being said, I hope he gets drafted, makes it on a team, and does very well. That could only help our program. But right now, I don't see that happening.
Woah, are you saying you don't think Omar will get drafted? That is completely off-base. Harris and Jacobs are two completely different players entering the NFL. Jacobs is a more prototypical NFL QB where Harris was more of an athlete playing QB. Provided he doesn't bomb at the Combine, expect Omar to go no later than the 3rd round. Surprisingly that may come as a shock to you.
Sorry for the confusion. my comment of "I don't see that happening" was the fact of him making the team and doing well. I think he will get drafted. I just am not convinced he will make it (God do I hope I am wrong). But many of the same people that are saying Omar is going to do fantastic in the NFL were shown to be wrong and those same people thought that thought Harris was better than Rothlisberger. Again, one just won the Super Bowl, the other is not in the league any more.
Ok, well I think he's gonna be drafted high enough where he will not only make the team but probably be in their plans for the future as a starter. Will they develop him behind a veteran? Probably. But still, no one has been proven right or wrong on Omar yet and you can't really compare the scenarios with him and Josh Harris because they really are different. You're talking a 6th round QB vs. a 2nd-3rd who projects to QB at the next level far better than Josh Harris did.
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All I am going to say is, and I think a lot of people are forgetting about this, if Charlie Frye who QB'ed an average (some would say below) Akron team and is getting a serious look as a starting QB in the NFL, then there is no reason that Omar shouldn't either.

Some of you really, really need to get a grip. After the 2004 season ALL OF YOU were saying that Omar was the next in the line of great MAC QB's, and now some of you, after a frustrating season, are questioning whether or not he will have success in the NFL, or worse - not get drafted at all? Are you f---ing kidding me? Get over yourselves. I am so sick and tired of the pointless, unsubstantiated negativity on this board that is constantly backed up by the lame-ass argument "well, I don't wear the Orange and Brown glasses" (referring to them as if there were only one pair... :roll: ). Please. Most of you are either blowhards, or still frustrated from last season. Thats great if you can't help but feel that way, but don't make all BG fans look like reactionary morons by contributing your bloviating to this forum over, and over, and over again. People like Hammb can at least make a reasoned argument. Most of you can't. Why don't you try supporting your fellow alumni and at least pretend to be optomistic about their prospects.

While we're at it, if you idiots want to post this stuff, how about doing it in a single thread rather than clog the entire active part of the forum with all of this crap?

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BO,

BLOVIATING??? Are you a "Factor" viewer? :wink:

Please keep it pithy. LOL
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Falconfreak90 wrote:BO,

BLOVIATING??? Are you a "Factor" viewer? :wink:

Please keep it pithy. LOL
Huh? Not sure what you're talking about, but I am a self admitted super-nerd! :D
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Bleeding Orange wrote:
Falconfreak90 wrote:BO,

BLOVIATING??? Are you a "Factor" viewer? :wink:

Please keep it pithy. LOL
Huh? Not sure what you're talking about, but I am a self admitted super-nerd! :D
The O'Reilly Factor on Fox? Bill is always using words like bloviating and pithy. Sorry for the confusion....it is that douchebag TG's fault. :lol:
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Falconfreak90 wrote:The O'Reilly Factor on Fox? Bill is always using words like bloviating and pithy. Sorry for the confusion....it is that douchebag TG's fault. :lol:
Wow. At least give me a chance to cause some confusion first, man!!! :wink:
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Falconfreak90 wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote:
Falconfreak90 wrote:BO,

BLOVIATING??? Are you a "Factor" viewer? :wink:

Please keep it pithy. LOL
Huh? Not sure what you're talking about, but I am a self admitted super-nerd! :D
The O'Reilly Factor on Fox? Bill is always using words like bloviating and pithy. Sorry for the confusion....it is that douchebag TG's fault. :lol:
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Bleeding Orange wrote:...and have an overly-large vocabulary.
(Read: "small penis") :lol:
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Falconfreak90 wrote:The O'Reilly Factor on Fox?
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CapitalFalcon wrote:Now hold on a second...A few months ago during football season, the vast majority of people on this board were talking about how Jacobs was no Harris. That of the two, Harris was the better QB. So needless to say, Harris and Jacobs are similar. Well...Harris made it into the NFL, he just couldn't stay there. Say what you want about the MAC not getting respect or how everyone's out to bash BG. But the truth of the matter is, Big Ben made it to the NFL, and in his second year, he has a SUper Bowl ring. Harris is not even in the league anymore...Or maybe he is. He's in and out so much I have lost track. Now this is nothing against Harris. I thought he was tremendous during his time here. The same with Omar. But once again, they are unknown quantities.

Now you can talk about how Omar was the most accurate passer to ever put on the uniform. Harris was lightening fast, but again. Who did we beat of any consequence? All I know is that Ben R. TORCHED a VERY GOOD Bowling Green squad, not once, but twice! Sure we racked up a lot of points when both of those kids were on the field, but nothing spectacular. There were no HUGE upsets, except for Purdue. We lost to OSU. We lost to Wisconsin. We lost to Boise State. If we would have beat Wisconsin and Boise this year, I think Omar would be sitting pretty. But I don't think he should have gone pro this year. I think if he would have stayed an additional year, and proven that he could dust himself off and have a year like 04 after a year like 05, he would have helped himself out a lot. But the risk is that you have an 06 like 05 again, which would hurt his draft chances even more, but then you would have to start considering does he even belong in the NFL.

That being said, I hope he gets drafted, makes it on a team, and does very well. That could only help our program. But right now, I don't see that happening.

does he belong in the NFL??? what are you nuts? this is a guy who threw for 41 tds and 4 ints in his sophmore year while torching a defense in oklahoma, a team that went to the national championship game, and in 8 games in 2005, he had 28 tds and 7 ints in olny 8 games. 28 tds in 8 games! he threw 5 tds against wisconsin, but its not his fault that our defense couldnt stop anyone. ill admit, the boise game was bad but every great player will slip up once and omar has only slipped up once in his entire career! i totally believe Omar WILL succeed in the NFL. he was looked over coming into college and he had a great career. a lot of people are over looking him in the draft, and i believe thet trendo will continue and he will have a good career in the NFL.
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