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ab1994 wrote:You know, I've decided I'm not going to waste any time and energy thinking of possible bowl scenarios. I'm prettty much resigned to the fact that unless NIU loses two games, we'll be sitting home.
Sorry, that's how I see it, too.

Remeber, bowl games have NOTHING to do with with the merit of the teams trying to get into the games. NOTHING. They are about crowds and revenue, and Marshall is a guaranteed strong gate. Why do you think so many 6-5 or 6-6 major conference teams get picked over teams with lesser records?
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McMetz811 wrote:That's a really crappy outlook on things.
Sorry, but our bowl outlook is pretty crappy this year. Also, bowl selections don't have diddly to do with records or who the best two teams in the MAC are. The GMAC bowl will take the school that will put the most fans in the seats, which gives Marshall a huge edge over everyone in the conference.
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Marshall can SD in my opinion.
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ab1994 wrote:
McMetz811 wrote:That's a really crappy outlook on things.
Sorry, but our bowl outlook is pretty crappy this year. Also, bowl selections don't have diddly to do with records or who the best two teams in the MAC are. The GMAC bowl will take the school that will put the most fans in the seats, which gives Marshall a huge edge over everyone in the conference.
Screw Marshall! They are leaving, they shouldn't get in any MAC bowl game!
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I'm too lazy to look at the schedule and try to figure it out, but is it possible for the East winner to not be bowl eligible? Of course, that really would be a black eye for the conference. Maybe some of the bowl-ologists can figure out that unlikely scenario.
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McMetz811 wrote:Screw Marshall! They are leaving, they shouldn't get in any MAC bowl game!
I agree, Marshall in one of the MAC's games will be stomach turning. I can almost hear some pathetic second-rate ESPN2 announcer going on about how they're moving on to "bigger things".
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ab1994 wrote:I'm too lazy to look at the schedule and try to figure it out, but is it possible for the East winner to not be bowl eligible? Of course, that really would be a black eye for the conference. Maybe some of the bowl-ologists can figure out that unlikely scenario.
Yeah because they take the 2 best teams from the MAC as a whole.
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If we win out, it very easily could be a three-way tie, which puts us right back in the hunt.
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McMetz811 wrote:
ab1994 wrote:because they take the 2 best teams from the MAC as a whole.
McMetz, my friend, I'm not trying to be a pain, but they can take any two MAC teams they want, as long as they're eligible. They don't have to take the "best" teams. There is no definitive way to determine the best teams based on records alone.
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factman wrote:If we win out, it very easily could be a three-way tie, which puts us right back in the hunt.
We lose a three way tie based on the tie breaker because we went to a bowl last year. NIU wins that one because they are the longest bowl no-show.
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ab1994 wrote:You know, I've decided I'm not going to waste any time and energy thinking of possible bowl scenarios.
Arrgh!

Irresistible... urge.... to discuss.... Falcon football.... turning me... into... hypocrite!

I must abandon this thread for my own good!
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ab1994 wrote:I'm too lazy to look at the schedule and try to figure it out, but is it possible for the East winner to not be bowl eligible? Of course, that really would be a black eye for the conference. Maybe some of the bowl-ologists can figure out that unlikely scenario.
Mathematically, it could easily happen.

A team wishing to win a division yet remain ineligible for a bowl game would need to:

1. Get swept in nonconference play.
2. Lose both cross divisional games.
3. Drop one divisional game -- preferably to the last place team -- them win the rest and hope the other good teams within the division lose at least two other conference games each.

A team that does that would win a division at 5-3 in the MAC, 5-6 overall.

Marshall is actually on track to do this so far. They've been been swept in nonconference play and they beat Miami -- which would seem to give them an edge in tie breakers.

If Marshall loses at Bowling Green (not a stretch), at home to Western Michigan and one more -- to Buffalo or Kent State, say -- they'd finish 5-6 and still have a reasonably good chance of winning the East.

It won't happen, of course. But, hypothetically, it could.

A couple of years ago, North Texas won the Sun Belt with a 5-6 record.
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ab1994 wrote:McMetz, my friend, I'm not trying to be a pain, but they can take any two MAC teams they want, as long as they're eligible. They don't have to take the "best" teams. There is no definitive way to determine the best teams based on records alone.
You are not being a pain. It's a forum and we are discussing :D Look at the attendance for the MCB last year though. Before hand, everyone was saying there might not even be 30K there and the place seemed almost full! People at the game saw how good the Falcon's are and would come back to watch again. I know it's a college bowl game and people will come anyways, but there will get a lot of fans there. I don't see how having Marshall going to any bowl game would attract fans. Until they prove that they are a respectable team, no one is going to want to watch them.
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One more thought.

While I agree with orangeandbrown and others that Marshall is a very appealing bowl team, there may be a way around this.

I'm thinking of cash under the table.

This isn't as absurd as it sounds. In fact, there is precedent.

Marshall won the MAC in 2000 with a 7-5 record, and the Motor City Bowl was not happy about it. They wanted Toledo -- which finished 10-1, ranked, and without another bowl option. They also wanted Western Michigan -- which finished with a better record but lost the MAC championship 19-14 at Marshall.

And they may have had a legal leg to stand on. If memory serves, the Motor City Bowl might have had wording in its contract that would have allowed them to take another team, such as Toledo, because of Marshall's piss poor 6-5 regular season record.

Rick Chryst, to his credit, didn't let this happen. He thought the MAC championship needed to mean something -- and that meant holding our collective noses and doing what it took to force Marshall down Detroit's throat.

So the MAC paid the Motor City Bowl to keep them whole financially. This was reported a year or two later in one of the West Virginia papers, and I really wish I had saved the article. I *believe* what happened is that each MAC school was assessed a fee, which the MAC paid to the Motor City Bowl. Or perhaps it just came right out of MAC revenue sharing. It's been a few years, and I didn't save the article, but I'm *positive* such a payment was made, and we're talking six figures, here.

It could be argued that it is once again in the MAC's interest to take action and make sure justice is served -- this time by sticking it to Marshall.

You can bet the ADs do *not* want Marshall to waltz through the MAC to a league title this year. The decision to play the MAC title game in Detroit spoke volumes.

I would think it would also drive ADs crazy to watch Marshall playing in a bowl game this season while equally or more deserving MAC teams sat home.

And if we finish this season 9-2, my friends, we would probably be more deserving.

The only two catches to this scenario are:

1. Marshall couldn't win the MAC title. If they did, then they'd have to go to a bowl game, for the same reason they did in 2000.

2. It would be very, very difficult to keep a lid on a MAC conspiracy to stick it to Marshall. Some of you are well aware of the way Bobby Pruett and others down there were flapping their gums at the decision to move the MAC title game to Detroit. They weren't happy. I doubt they'd stay silent again. And maybe that would be enough to scotch the whole thing for Chryst.

But it wouldn't be if I were MAC commissioner.

Screw Marshall. It would be fun to do.

Two final thoughts:

1. Yes, Marshall would likely travel best to the GMAC Bowl -- but the GMAC Bowl has tended to sell out -- or nearly sell out -- no matter what. The game gets a lot of local support. Also, Northern Illinois likely remains on the radar screens of Alabama football fans since the Huskies upset the Crimson Tide last year.

2. Marshall owes the MAC an exit fee. Maybe this wouldn't even require a special assessment of MAC schools. :)
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hey guys, I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that if there is indeed a 3-way tie between us, NIU and Toledo, with Toledo beathing NIU, then the best non-conference record goes to the MACC, if this was the case then we would go b/c of the 2-1 non-conf. record.... once again this is just what I heard, don't know if its true or not
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