MACMAN wrote:Gee and I thought this might be announcement that Temple was doping to DI AA or closing the door on thier failed experiment in football. Dam
Some may have said the same thing about BG at a few points in our history. Let's not get too big for our britches. Temple will be competitive in the MAC within 3 years.
since 1955 the owls have played in 512 games
they have won 194 tied 7 and lost 311
"Temple begins last season as Big East doormat
According to Temple AD Bill Bradshaw, his football program has a unique distinction.
"Temple may have been the only D-I member ever ousted from a league,'' Temple athletic director Bill Bradshaw said.
And rightly so. After a 70-16 drubbing at home last week, the Owls begin their last season as a member of the Big East, after decades of poor performances, this weekend with a home game against Pittsburgh.
With the school in prime football country(Pennsylvania), an NFL stadium and top notch training digs, Temple has little excuse but complacency when it comes to it's football program, and that was it's ultimate downfall in the Big East.
Next season begins the school's run as an independent, which will, according to AD Bradshaw, hopefully be a short run.
Read more about the plight of Owls football from the Associated Press
Posted by Josh McClain "
and not mention that temple has not come even close to meeting
Division I
Division I member institutions have to sponsor at least seven sports for men and seven for women (or six for men and eight for women) with two team sports for each gender. Each playing season has to be represented by each gender as well. There are contest and participant minimums for each sport, as well as scheduling criteria. For sports other than football and basketball, Div. I schools must play 100% of the minimum number of contests against Div. I opponents -- anything over the minimum number of games has to be 50% Div. I. Men's and women's basketball teams have to play all but two games against Div. I teams, for men, they must play 1/3 of all their contests in the home arena. Schools that have football are classified as Div. I-A or I-AA. I-A football schools are usually fairly elaborate programs. Div. I-A teams have to meet minimum attendance requirements (17,000 people in attendance per home game, OR 20,000 average of all football games in the last four years or, 30,000 permanent seats in their stadium and average 17,000 per home game or 20,000 average of all football games in the last four years OR, be in a member conference in which at least six conference members sponsor football or more than half of football schools meet attendance criterion. Div. I-AA teams do not need to meet minimum attendance requirements. Div. I schools must meet minimum financial aid awards for their athletics program, and there are maximum financial aid awards for each sport that a Div. I school cannot exceed.
NOTE: The NCAA recently raised the number of sports an NCAA D1 institution must offer to 16. This has forced many schools to add new programs overnight!
The NCAA motto-"WE WILL PENALIZE A SCHOOL FOR CELEBRATIONS WHEN SCORIng, FOR CONDuct off tHE field, for sponsors giving players cash. But by God no team or school will be penalized for not demonstrating a bit of ability or capablitiy in even meeting the standards to be in D1."
So gee it is without question or hesitation that Temple should be outstead all together! Untill such a time as they can demonstrat that they meet the requirments...they should be double digit secret probhation right now.
There are some teams in the MAC not meeting NCAA requirements also. Should we oust them too? Temple has been bad for a long time, but it hasn't been because of a lack of talent. Get the right leadership for that school, and they can absolutely be competitive in a Conference such as the MAC.
They're moving in the right direction. Demoting them to 1-AA now as you suggest would be absolutely ridiculous and would border on lunacy.
My point is why have the rules on the books if they will not enforce them, or more importantly why should the NCAA be even allowed to pick and choose which rules to enforce.
Further the teams being mentioned in the MAC that have not measured up for the last four years ought to go.
transfer2BGSU wrote:BG will move back to the West. This will even out the two divisions when TU moves over to the little east conference.
That's not gonna happen, and if it does, the little east will have to take us too because we're toledo's rival, we're played just as well as they have the last 10 years, and its not like they are going to add somebody to get an odd number of teams. They'd have to find a 10th team, and we'd obviously be the first team they'd look at.
But toledo isn't going anywhere anyway, so what difference does it make?
While I don't think Toledo is going anywhere just yet, I think you are wrong on a couple of things here. First, many people say that if the BE adds it will add one more to go to 9 schools. 9 schools allow an 8 game conference schedule. It would be either add one for 9 schools or go to 12 for a conference championship game. No way they would go to 10 schools.
Just because BG is Toledo's rival doesn't mean a thing. We could still play as an OOC game. Miami and Cincy were in the MAC as rivals in the 50's, and Cincy left the MAc and Miami behind despite being rivals. They still play Miami every year though.
Finally, BG has not been as good as Toledo in the last 10 years. They last few years we have been pretty close, but here is the last 10 years:
Toledo (1996-2005)
84-36
7 MAC West Division Titles
2 MAC Championships
Bowling Green (1996-2005)
62-53
1 MAC West Division Title
0 MAC Championships
Keep in mind this doesn't count Toledo 11-0-1 MAC Championship season in 1995 either.
Ten years is a pretty arbitrary number....why not 15?... why not 20?...Five years is pretty arbitrary too.
I think we should go back 13 years, 9 months, 22 days, 13 hours and 27 seconds...crap...28....29...well, let's leave the seconds out of it. It's too difficult to track.
No offense but the real compairson is this. Toledo Tom. and consistancy.
rocket is right Toledo ovr the last ten years has been consistantly better.
However BG has had cripes is it 3 or 4 HEad coaches in that time...
if GB sticks around i am sure our current consistant level of play will remain.
but if i were the Big East and I could pick only one MAC school...i would not pick temple...i am not stupid!!!! oH Sorry but cryst is.
My top list would Toledo, NIU, BGSU and Miami. The coaching change at Miami puts them last us in 3rd Niu and toledo first.
If I made my determination off of Bowl records i would take BGSu
Flipper wrote:Ten years is a pretty arbitrary number....why not 15?... why not 20?...Five years is pretty arbitrary too.
I think we should go back 13 years, 9 months, 22 days, 13 hours and 27 seconds...crap...28....29...well, let's leave the seconds out of it. It's too difficult to track.
No offense Flipper, but I didn't come up with the 10 years number. BGSUFalcons24 did. I was just replying to his claim about 10 years.
If I really wanted to try to spin things I could say let's go back 11 years to include Toledo's 11-0-1 and MAC Title year in 1995, a year that BG went 5-6. I could also say that Toledo has had 12 straight winning seasons, while BG has had 6 winning and 6 losing seasons in that same span.
I didn't say that stuff before though, because I was just responding to a BG fans statement that BG has played just as well as UT for the last 10 years. Last five years, YES. Last ten years, NO.
MACMAN wrote:No offense but the real compairson is this. Toledo Tom. and consistancy.
rocket is right Toledo ovr the last ten years has been consistantly better.
However BG has had cripes is it 3 or 4 HEad coaches in that time...
if GB sticks around i am sure our current consistant level of play will remain.
but if i were the Big East and I could pick only one MAC school...i would not pick temple...i am not stupid!!!! oH Sorry but cryst is.
My top list would Toledo, NIU, BGSU and Miami. The coaching change at Miami puts them last us in 3rd Niu and toledo first.
If I made my determination off of Bowl records i would take BGSu
Just curious as to why Toledo, NIU, BGSU, and Miami would be your top list instead of Memphis or UCF? Especially Memphis since they are strong at basketball and average about 40K for football. And UCF is building a new stadium for football on campus. They will open that stadium in 2007 with a game against Texas. That's right......the Texas Longhorns will be playing at UCF in 2007.
As much as I like Toledo and the MAC, we just aren't as attractive as Memphis or UCF are.
we were talking about MAc schools.
And from a continutiy standpoint dont you think having a conferance that nearly spans the whole length of NAtion might present more problems than just cost issues...
imagin Hawai in the Big East.
for that matter lest realign the Big ten.
Texas, USC, Nd, M, OSU, FL, Uof Miami, VT, Georgia, Nebraska. would be interesting.... now drop back in Pen State, and add oaklhoma and we have a Big 12. or as it could be called BCS WET DREAM
MACMAN wrote:we were talking about MAc schools.
And from a continutiy standpoint dont you think having a conferance that nearly spans the whole length of NAtion might present more problems than just cost issues...
imagin Hawai in the Big East.
for that matter lest realign the Big ten.
Texas, USC, Nd, M, OSU, FL, Uof Miami, VT, Georgia, Nebraska. would be interesting.... now drop back in Pen State, and add oaklhoma and we have a Big 12. or as it could be called BCS WET DREAM
Memphis is not any further out of the BE footprint than MAC schools are. UCF brings a travel partner for USF, who is actually UCF's huge rival.
I'm sorry, but the MAC isn't exactly in Big East country.
<cr>Akron and OU are close enough to Pitt and WV . If Akron builds the on campus stadium they're talking about, it could make them a very attractive expansion candidate
Flipper wrote:<cr>Akron and OU are close enough to Pitt and WV . If Akron builds the on campus stadium they're talking about, it could make them a very attractive expansion candidate
Assuming they can average more than 14K-15K per game in football.
Don't sleep on the Zips...they've drawn well in the past in a crappy venue like the Rubber Bowl. They had a VERY good showing at the Motor City Bowl, so attendance might be ready to take off. It will be interesting to see how they fare this year.
They've built some really great facilities and an on campus stadium would put them on par with the rest of the BE so far as football facilities go. They're within spitting distance of the Cleveland market and that alone could make them attractive to the BE.
Some people think that Buffalo is a sleeping giant in the MAC. I think that Akron has all the ingredients necessary to be dominant
I think you are wrong on a couple of things here. First, many people say that if the BE adds it will add one more to go to 9 schools. 9 schools allow an 8 game conference schedule. It would be either add one for 9 schools or go to 12 for a conference championship game. No way they would go to 10 schools.
