Hey BGSUfanatUT.....

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:27 am

mossmaidi wrote:That is a pretty cool Falcons for Kerry Edwards logo t-shirt. Where I can I get one of those?

Wait a month they'll be on ultra cheap clearance

BGSUfanatUT · Post by **BGSUfanatUT** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:07 am

hammb wrote:
mossmaidi wrote:That is a pretty cool Falcons for Kerry Edwards logo t-shirt. Where I can I get one of those?
Wait a month they'll be on ultra cheap clearance

...b/c if Bush is elected thats the only way we'll be able to afford them

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:30 am

A couple of thoughts here:

Often, these x for y groups are formed by campaigns to address a real or perceived weak spot in their coalition or woo voters they historically have had a tough time with.

So, "Catholics for Bush," is an attempt by Bush to woo Catholics. He thinks his views give him a chance to make new inroads there. Same with "Veterans for Kerry." Kerry hopes he can lure more veterans to his fold.

Also, in southeast Ohio, it is common for Democratic candidates to circulate bumper stickers that say "Gun Owners for (insert name of Democrat here)." Democrats in southeast Ohio are usually pretty strong on this issue, and they want to make sure people know it.

Like it or not. this stuff has gone on for years and it isn't going to stop.

With that in mind, I think Dayon's logo is cute.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:52 am

I understand why the candidates/parties do that. The logic makes sense to me as they are targeting a group of voters that genereally have a common view on politics, Catholics, gun owners, pro-life/pro-choice, etc. But those directed ads as based on a related political issue. There is no political issue tied to be a Falcon Fan, that is why I object to the "Falcons for Kerry" line of targeting. Being a Falcon fan has nothing to do with politics, and I would prefer it would stay that way. When we are all in Doyt Perry Stadium cheering on the Falcons, it is an escape from the harsh realities that we have to deal with on a day to day basis. I would like to forget all that stuff and escape for a few hours of fun. Bringing politics to the college sports arena is just a downer.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:57 am

I understand people who don't want political threads here.

But a Kerry tent at homecoming is just good politics, if you ask me.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:03 am

I should add that "Falcon Fans for Kerry" is obvious soft parody, and there have been some great examples of some hard parody along those lines on the national stage.

"Billionaires for Bush" made a big splash this summer. Bush fans have responded with "Communists for Kerry" (from what I understand, a guy involved with the Fox News Web site wrote a straight news story about the communists lining up behind Kerry, completely msising the joke).

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:06 am

Warthog wrote:There is no political issue tied to be a Falcon Fan, that is why I object to the "Falcons for Kerry" line of targeting. Being a Falcon fan has nothing to do with politics, and I would prefer it would stay that way.

So should we demand the College Republicans and College Democrats change their names? Being a college student has nothing to do with politics. What about the Fighting Falcon Battalion and Fighting Falcon Squadron? Do we really want people to think BGSU fights? Should all four of these student organizations be dropped from being officially recognized as student organizations?

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:43 am

transfer2BGSU wrote:
Warthog wrote:There is no political issue tied to be a Falcon Fan, that is why I object to the "Falcons for Kerry" line of targeting. Being a Falcon fan has nothing to do with politics, and I would prefer it would stay that way.
So should we demand the College Republicans and College Democrats change their names? Being a college student has nothing to do with politics. What about the Fighting Falcon Battalion and Fighting Falcon Squadron? Do we really want people to think BGSU fights? Should all four of these student organizations be dropped from being officially recognized as student organizations?

Maybe you misunderstood. I have no problems with the College Republicans or Democrats. There IS a tie between these organizations and the University. These kids are trying to get a better understanding of the political process and often are preparing for a future in elected office. They are not different than the Accounting Club, Future Marketers Organization, etc.

I have no idea what the "Fighting" thing has to do with this. :shrug:

Being a Falcon fan has nothing at all to do with being Republican, Democrat, communist, Socialist, Libertarian, Green, whatever. So tying "Falcons" to any candidate is deceptive and out of place in my opinion. Being Catholic, Protestant, a gun owner, pro-life, environmentally concious, etc all have implied affiliation to one political issue, party, and/or candidate. Therefore stating "Environmental Nazis for Kerry" is accptable because that is who you would expect all "Environmental Nazis" to back. But by no means could you assume a "Falcon" to be either pro-Bush or pro-Kerry. Therefore, putting "Falcons for Kerry" or "Falcons for Bush" is illogical.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:59 am

"Falconfreaks for Falcon Football"....my party!

BGSUfanatUT · Post by **BGSUfanatUT** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:20 am

What other tents do people have set up from the site here? Or are most of you planning on being in that back corner as usual?

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:28 am

Warthog wrote:I have no idea what the "Fighting" thing has to do with this. :shrug:

We do have two student organizations on campus that are listed as the Fighting Falcon Battalion and Fighting Falcon Squadron. They are the ROTC units. That was where the "fighting" came from.

I understand what you're saying. Don't agree with you (on this matter), but I understand your point of view.

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:39 pm

Crazy how something so small has grown into these lines of threads we have had. Let me explain where the Kerry/Edwards falcons thing, the Bush UT picture, and the Kerry-Gregg Brandon picture came from. Then I will also give my opinion on the debate that has begun.

The pictures and logos were things I created in PHotoshop for a good friend of mine. We all tailgate together and we decided this year to create some t-shirts using these iron on transfer things that you can print images from your computer and put on. (I also created a BG-Kansas Rock Chalk Jayhawk/Ay ZIggy Zoomba shirt to wear to the Northwestern Kansas game earlier this season). My friend, being a BG grad, falcon fan, and hard core democratic supported was in a lull of what to make for her shirt. So I made those images for her to wear and it was an obvious funny, parody type thing. JOhn Kerry never has worn orange and brown and George Bush has never had a UT hat on. It is a satirical t shirt, and one that isn't meant to do anything but express the person who is wearing the shirt's loyalties- The Falcons and The Kerry/Edwards campaign. There is no tent in tent row called "Falcons For Kerry" that is what I jokingly called my $30 prop up tent where we congrigate and tailgate because I wanted BGfanatUT to stop by and say hello. SO, There is the explanation to what all those things are.

Now on to the debate about tying Falcons To the Kerry campaing. Again the implimentation of the colors and logo was done as a parody and for the reasons outlined above. I'm not enlisting Cole Magner to go out and stump on a soap box outside the Union telling people to vote for John Kerry. That said I wonder if that would be wrong? And taking the logo thing further if I am a U student (a Falcon) and for Kerry, what is wrong with saying that I am a Falcon for Kerry?

Back to the Cole thing, what would people think if he, or some other notable player, started doing something like that? What if the College Democrats, or Republicans for that matter, got Omar Jacobs to be the keynote speaker at one of their meetings to talk about football and also why he is voting for X? Would this be any different than the football players who all showed up at the on campus prayer thing last semester, that actually was SPONSORED by the football program????

A lot of interesting things to ponder here. . .

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:11 am

If any of the players attended an event sponsored by the College Dems or Republicans, I would not have a problem with it. It would be an event sponsored by a political organization and it would make sense to discuss political views. If they did this at a "Women for Falcon Football" or some non-political gathering, then it would be different.

BGSUfanatUT · Post by **BGSUfanatUT** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:37 am

DD- How would one aquire one of said BG-Kerry/UT-Bush shirts? DO you do special orders or anything? Or are you gonna sell some at the game saturday?

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:26 am

BGSUfanatUT wrote:DD- How would one aquire one of said BG-Kerry/UT-Bush shirts? DO you do special orders or anything? Or are you gonna sell some at the game saturday?

FWIW, I think that logo could be confusing. A UT fan who is a Bush supporter would like it as much as a BG for that is a Kerry supporter.

Hey BGSUfanatUT.....

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