endzone idea

[Schadenfreude]

Its nice to think about... but in reality, with crumbling concrete, leaky facilities, outdated pressbox... all monies should be spent on having at least one side of the Doyt torn down... rebuilt with a steeper pitch... built higher to accomodate 16-17K fans plus a three level press box with suites adn the president's club.

The pitch could be steeper, in my opinion. I don't care for the slope now. And, yet, I'm not sure the current slope is much different from the first deck of Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Also: In my nonengineering opinion, a new press box, suites, and additional sideline seating could all be accomplished by just building upward and leaving what exists in place (aside from maybe demolishing the current press box, which is just in the way). My thinking: There is room on both sides to design new seating so that the existing structure doesn't bear the load of new construction.

Moreover, The stadium was originally designed for a small second deck all the way around, which implies the designers built in some capacity to bear weight. Whether that's still possible, 40 years later, I would leave to the engineers.

[jeebus]

if they tore down the stadium to rebuild it i would bet theyd do more then reconstruct the old doyt with a greater pitch. but they wont since the money just isnt there. a new press box is possible...but the south endzone is very feasible. really for my idea to work, or something like it all that you'd need is a wall and basicly a giant set of steps. even to do right it would be very cheap (as far as stadium additions go)

[BGFan]

Given the fairly recent addition of the rather costly elevators, I doubt we'll see either of the stands coming down to be replaced any time soon. Rebuilding/or adding to the press boxes and suites, however, should be more than possible.

[mjmorefield]

I still think a new Anderson Arena enclosing the South end-zone is feasable. How long can BG continue to utilize the current Anderson? Go to the same architects that designed the Sebo for visual continuity. The possibilities are endless. I know money would be a problem...its a problem for any new building. I'm just dreaming here.

[redskins4ever]

Jeebus... having that endzone thingy makes no sense... those stands are used once every other year when Toledo comes to town... why throw money at that when it could be used in different more productive areas?

Have you been in the pressbox at BG? That thing is so damn tight... impossible to move around, few outlets for all the necesary computers that people bring with them. It would be silly to rehab the pressbox... maybe just maybe you tear it apart. leaving skeletal remains, but the whole area needs an extreme makeover and improvement.

Starting over is cheaper in the long run. Band-Aids are great when you have you have small issues and the facility will be around for the long haul. But to believe that the Doyt is going to be a working feasible facility in 20 years at its current rate of deteroriation is asnine. The doy't was a 60's project... with 60's building materials. I am not suggesting level the stadium and start over. Start with one side now... bite the bullet get yourself into a good position and then in 10 years when the otherside has given out... you then replace the east side stands... instead of taking this all on at once.

If any of you are long time BG residents... think of it this way... the Senior Citizen center was a rehab project, and had we just built a new facility, it would have cost the same amount for twice the facility, or half as much for the same facility? Rehabbing large facilities rarely makes long term economical sense.

As for the shallowness of Cleveland Browns Stadium... this may be true... but in order to comply with MAC rules, and make long term season ticket holders happy and not have their views blocked by standing students... wouldn't it be best to have the student section as is... maybe slightly steeper, and then increase the pitch after the student section if only by an inch or two to improve site lines and removal of the blocking of your view by some guy standing two rows infront of you?

[falconfan1999]

As a season ticket holder and someone who enjoys sitting to watch a game, I can tell you that I would appreciate more clear site lines. I have no problem with students standing and being rowdy or whatever they want, but I do have a problem when I am spending money to watch a game and I can't even see some of the action because some kids who aren't even watching the game are standing up, blocking my view. Something needs to be done about that. The season ticket holders should be given seats that they can EASILY see the whole field period!

As far as the endzone idea: why not build a new Convo Center on the south end? EMU did it. They can't be in a much better financial situation than we are!

[jeebus]

hmmm, anyone wanna come up with some mockups of how to add a new building to the south endzone? seems like problems would be that once its there there's nothing that can be done....south endzone is pretty much set for good. and it removes the alumn club. i'll do some sketches when im at class (ha ha ha) and see what i can come up with..... screw this mspaint stuff

what if you had multi story suites or the press box built in?


as for the stands... to raise the rake of the stands they have to tear down the sides. if they do they're not gonna rebuild the same thing with a greater angle...theyll build something completely new. which as much as a non-tradionalist as i am even makes ME sad. plus it would cost more then the sebo. they just wont do it. and i say good. now, as far as season ticket holders, i agree they should be able to see but generally they dont fill the stands like students do for the big game and they're not as loud.
maybe give them a reserved section?

[Schadenfreude]

But to believe that the Doyt is going to be a working feasible facility in 20 years at its current rate of deteroriation is asnine.

There is virtually no doubt in my mind that the Doyt will be a working, feasible facility in 20 years, and neither sideline will be rebuilt.

And by rebuilt, I don't mean replacing the press box. That's a rickety looking thing; it would be easy to just rip out of there.

Feel free to check back in 20 years. I'm confident I'm right. Your insults don't confront me.

[redskins4ever]

I'm not insulting you, I am referencing someone who works in commercial construction who will notice things that fans can't.

If the facility alraedy has waterfalls inside the walls of the building now... what happens in 20 years?

Concrete is falling off of the facility... again... what happens in 20 years?

I don't believe this facility has the useful or practical life you believe it has.

[Schadenfreude]

I'm not insulting you, I am referencing someone who works in commercial construction who will notice things that fans can't.

If the facility alraedy has waterfalls inside the walls of the building now... what happens in 20 years?

Concrete is falling off of the facility... again... what happens in 20 years?

I can't speak to you first point; I don't know what you are talking about.

As for the second: It was a decorative panel, not integral to the structure at all. It's a bit like crying doom and gloom about the safety of an automobile because the hood ornament was stolen.

[redskins4ever]

You believe that is the only concrete that is falling off of the facility? Walk around underneath the stadium in the concourse area and look for the rebar showing. That is concrete that has somehow magically disappeared?

Also as for the waterfalls and leaks... its a pretty well known fact amongst those who have worked in the facility.... oh wait... I have worked in teh facility!

[It's the Journey...]

I like the idea of replacing the stands on the east and west sides and I think it can be done. The elevator towers were built with some distance between them and the stadium. I would like to think that was done to allow some room to grow. What if the seating below the north/south isle were retained and the rest of the stands were removed. That would retain the lower pitch for the student seating. Then build new, steeper stands the rest of the way up with new boxes on top. And build it to take a second level that sits on top of the boxes if needed. If done correctly I would think the new elevator towers could be kept and used in the new stadium. It can be a two phase program, east one year and west the next. However, I do not want to see it started until there is a convocation center sitting in the south endzone.

[Strouse]

...And build it to take a second level that sits on top of the boxes if needed. If done correctly I would think the new elevator towers could be kept and used in the new stadium.

I thought the Doyt as it stands now was originally built in a way so that if a second level needed to be built it could be done without a massive overhaul.

[TG1996]

I thought the Doyt as it stands now was originally built in a way so that if a second level needed to be built it could be done without a massive overhaul.

Bingo.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

You believe that is the only concrete that is falling off of the facility? Walk around underneath the stadium in the concourse area and look for the rebar showing. That is concrete that has somehow magically disappeared?

Also as for the waterfalls and leaks... its a pretty well known fact amongst those who have worked in the facility.... oh wait... I have worked in teh facility!

Got any tips on lottery numbers or superbowl winners for the next 20 years? Or do you only tell the future as far as structural engineering is concerned?