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cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Mon May 28, 2007 10:19 pm

Hello...people, BG only has a population of 30,000 without the students..How many people do you think should come to our games? I think we do pretty good considering our population.

Falcon30 · Post by **Falcon30** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:09 pm

cowboyjoe wrote:Hello...people, BG only has a population of 30,000 without the students..How many people do you think should come to our games? I think we do pretty good considering our population.

State College, PA only has a population of about 38,000 with the students. IIRC, Penn State draws slightly more than we do and we have a semi major city 20 miles away. There isn't much near State College.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:58 pm

Falcon30 wrote:
cowboyjoe wrote:Hello...people, BG only has a population of 30,000 without the students..How many people do you think should come to our games? I think we do pretty good considering our population.
State College, PA only has a population of about 38,000 with the students. IIRC, Penn State draws slightly more than we do and we have a semi major city 20 miles away. There isn't much near State College.

True. But you have to take into account the fact that the residents of Pennsylvanistan are absolutely batshit insane.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:13 am

And the fact that Pitt is really the only other large school in the state, and people from Pittsburgh are more batshit insane than any other area in that state.

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:30 am

cowboyjoe wrote:Hello...people, BG only has a population of 30,000 without the students..

That should be "with" the students.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:57 pm

transfer2BGSU wrote:
cowboyjoe wrote:Hello...people, BG only has a population of 30,000 without the students..
That should be "with" the students.

I've never known if that included students or not...so I just emailed the City of Bowling Green website to get clarification. Their site says according to the 2000 census, BG has a populations of 29,636.

GO FALCONS

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue May 29, 2007 1:54 pm

Falconfreak90 wrote:
transfer2BGSU wrote:
cowboyjoe wrote:Hello...people, BG only has a population of 30,000 without the students..
That should be "with" the students.
I've never known if that included students or not...so I just emailed the City of Bowling Green website to get clarification. Their site says according to the 2000 census, BG has a populations of 29,636.

GO FALCONS

The census was during a time of year when Students were in town, I believe.

dannyk · Post by **dannyk** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:19 pm

The enrollment at BG now is around 22,000

The town is just below 30,000

Totaling 52,000

the only question is if the city counts kids who live off campus in their total, Im assuming off campus residents is around 7-10,000 maybe leaving us at a total more around 40K for total pop.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:26 pm

I think Hammb wins a beer. The reply I received from the City of Bowling Green:

Mr. Wherley,

The census is taken on April 1 and counts the people residing in the City as of the census count. As BGSU is in session, it counts those students living in the City limits as of April 1.

Lori

dannyk · Post by **dannyk** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:21 pm

interesting, is it counting all students, or just those actually living off campus? Thanks in advance

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:27 pm

Those students living within Bowling Green, OH.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:35 pm

What about students living in Portage? Were they counted, too?

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue May 29, 2007 7:48 pm

Bleeding Orange wrote:What about students living in Portage? Were they counted, too?

Yes.

For Portage's population.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:18 pm

dannyk wrote:The enrollment at BG now is around 22,000

The town is just below 30,000

Totaling 52,000

the only question is if the city counts kids who live off campus in their total, Im assuming off campus residents is around 7-10,000 maybe leaving us at a total more around 40K for total pop.

The letter from the city is correct. The total population of Bowling Green was just a shade under 30,000 as of April 1, 2000, and it does include the students who lived in Bowling Green on that day.

I was living there in 1990, in a dormitory, and the RAs were very aggressive in making sure each of us filled out a very short census form. (I don't recall if it was the short form, or if it was a special form the census had concocted for group quarters. Dormitories, prisions, nursing homes and that kind of thing are known as "group quarters" in census lingo -- to distinguish them from households, which is another thing the census counts).

This leads to an interesting issue, which is that of overcount.

Undercount usually gets most of the attention. Big cities -- especially the economically challenged ones -- often appeal, saying the census missed people.

But overcount can happen, too, and students living away from home at college are one possible factor.

When I was in Bowling Green, I was not living in my father's household and he should not have put me on the census form as living there. The census just wants to know for that particular day -- April 1 of the year ending in zero.

If my father mistakenly did count me as living there, then I would have been counted twice. This probably happens once in a while. One can imagine the kind of communities it helps at the expense of others.

Anyway, back to that post up there: If Bowling Green is reporting 22,000 students as of right now and Bowling Green's official population on April 1, 2000 was just a hair under 30,000, that doesn't mean the city has only 8,000 permanent residents.

That 22,000 figure may include Firelands, first of all. It is also inflated from what it would have been in 2000, because there has been growth.

It also includes people who commute to campus from outside the city. And it might be an FTE -- meaning, that students only taking a class or two are cobbled together into the equivalent number of full time students.

In 1990, full time city residents probably held a very slight majority of the 28,000 living there. I expect the proportion hasn't changed a whole lot.

When I was there, about 8,000 of the students lived on campus, and the rest were in off campus housing. The on campus number has decreased, I believe, as dormitories have been remodeled, but overall enrollment is higher than I was there.

Anyway.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:59 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:In 1990, full time city residents probably held a very slight majority of the 28,000 living there. I expect the proportion hasn't changed a whole lot.

I always thought I heard that it was about 14K each way when I was there a little after 1990.

The real question remains... when FalconFanatic was at BG, did they count the settlers stopping through on their way west if they happened to be in town that day?

(Sorry, FF, it's been awhile. Gotta stay sharp!

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