BG News Football Predictions

[Peregrinner]

Hm. Think we'll see a retraction?

[Jham]

You have to remember, too, that most J-school students are taught to be "controversial" and "edgy" in order to make a name for themselves. This kind of proselytizing happens at all levels of the media, and it is going to be magnified in student media where the author has not yet learned to cover his or her ass with double speak.

That being said, this kind of garbage is borne of sheer ignorance.

BG's journalism faculty may suck, but I was never told that I had to be controversial. Never. That's an awfully thin limb you're walking on.

That said, I was always a smartass when I did the picks a few years back, including picking Northwestern 42-17 in 2001.

What did I do?

http://media.www.bgnews.com/media/stora ... 5906.shtml

And I never made that mistake again.

[Jham]

I probably should open this wound but.......

If the Athletic Department wants to create new traditions they should have topped their handout/card with "Gather unconditional support from all student media outlets." It seems the student media either encourages or reflects the attitude of many students. Changing the atttitudes of these leaders on campus needs to be the first step toward increasing campus support of Falcon Athletics.

Colin probably said it better than I could, but the job of a publication that is completely independent of the university is not to "unconditionally" support said institution. It's to report with objectivity.

Would you rather have every BG News picker choose BG in every game because they love the school? Evern against Boston College, who looked pretty damn good against Wake, who won its division last year in the ACC?

Sorry to be a little negative on the morning after a huge victory (after all, everyone should unconditionally support the team 24/7, right?), but this statement, and the one I quoted above, are completely asinine.

Flame away.

[Jham]

You have to remember, too, that most J-school students are taught to be "controversial" and "edgy" in order to make a name for themselves.

No, they aren't.

Schad beat me to it. I stopped reading and started posting too early.

[FalconTurf]

I probably should open this wound but.......

If the Athletic Department wants to create new traditions they should have topped their handout/card with "Gather unconditional support from all student media outlets." It seems the student media either encourages or reflects the attitude of many students. Changing the atttitudes of these leaders on campus needs to be the first step toward increasing campus support of Falcon Athletics.

Colin probably said it better than I could, but the job of a publication that is completely independent of the university is not to "unconditionally" support said institution. It's to report with objectivity.

Would you rather have every BG News picker choose BG in every game because they love the school? Evern against Boston College, who looked pretty damn good against Wake, who won its division last year in the ACC?

Sorry to be a little negative on the morning after a huge victory (after all, everyone should unconditionally support the team 24/7, right?), but this statement, and the one I quoted above, are completely asinine.

Flame away.

Maybe I overstated this a little but I don't think the BG News is very supportive even when the teams are pretty good. I think some positive local press would be nice. It would be interesting to see BG24 take 2 minutes every day to rip the BG News on some portion of their publication and watch the reaction. I get the impression the number one product of the BG News is often ripping the adminstration, food services, the athletic department or some other policy making body of the campus. They do nothing to sell the campus to outsiders.

Yes this opens a whole new can of worms - The BG News is not the PR dept. for BGSU. At the same time what good is a journalism degree or any other degree from BG when the campus is such a horrible place that produces nothing of quality. And, I'm sorry, reading some editions of The BG News that is the impression given.

Finally, I would hope the sports dept. at The BG News would run multiple articles, including an editorial, on an impressive win that demonstrates that little ol' BG can compete with the bigger conferences again.

[Jham]

I probably should open this wound but.......

If the Athletic Department wants to create new traditions they should have topped their handout/card with "Gather unconditional support from all student media outlets." It seems the student media either encourages or reflects the attitude of many students. Changing the atttitudes of these leaders on campus needs to be the first step toward increasing campus support of Falcon Athletics.

Colin probably said it better than I could, but the job of a publication that is completely independent of the university is not to "unconditionally" support said institution. It's to report with objectivity.

Would you rather have every BG News picker choose BG in every game because they love the school? Evern against Boston College, who looked pretty damn good against Wake, who won its division last year in the ACC?

Sorry to be a little negative on the morning after a huge victory (after all, everyone should unconditionally support the team 24/7, right?), but this statement, and the one I quoted above, are completely asinine.

Flame away.

Maybe I overstated this a little but I don't think the BG News is very supportive even when the teams are pretty good. I think some positive local press would be nice. It would be interesting to see BG24 take 2 minutes every day to rip the BG News on some portion of their publication and watch the reaction. I get the impression the number one product of the BG News is often ripping the adminstration, food services, the athletic department or some other policy making body of the campus. They do nothing to sell the campus to outsiders.

Yes this opens a whole new can of worms - The BG News is not the PR dept. for BGSU. At the same time what good is a journalism degree or any other degree from BG when the campus is such a horrible place that produces nothing of quality. And, I'm sorry, reading some editions of The BG News that is the impression given.

Finally, I would hope the sports dept. at The BG News would run multiple articles, including an editorial, on an impressive win that demonstrates that little ol' BG can compete with the bigger conferences again.

Agreed. I'd be surprised if another big win over a BCS school wouldn't be played well in the paper.

On the other points, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[bgnewser]

I doubt 24 would rip us.

Isn't the newspaper where TV news gets all its stories?

[Schadenfreude]

Isn't the newspaper where TV news gets all its stories?

When they aren't listening to police scanners, yes.

[jpfalcon09]

I think it reflects on the attitudes a lot of students have towards our sports teams in general here. The hordes of people who leave during games to go home to watch the Buckeyes play, the poor attendance for big MAC games, BG will always be a school where the students will hop on the bandwagon when things are going well and will find it easy and fashionable to pick them to lose when things aren't going well.

A little bit of optimism will go a long way in the BG News to help boost student support of their teams here.

[CapitalFalcon]

Colin probably said it better than I could, but the job of a publication that is completely independent of the university is not to "unconditionally" support said institution. It's to report with objectivity.

Would you rather have every BG News picker choose BG in every game because they love the school? Evern against Boston College, who looked pretty damn good against Wake, who won its division last year in the ACC?

Sorry to be a little negative on the morning after a huge victory (after all, everyone should unconditionally support the team 24/7, right?), but this statement, and the one I quoted above, are completely asinine.

Flame away.

I feel there is a difference between saying BG is going to win every game it plays (i.e., being a mouthpiece for the university) and being a complete @$$-hat by dissing your alma mater's sports team by eluding to the fact that it can't even dare to provide competition to its opponent. Would the BG News be a "stooge" for the university if it printed the "New Traditions" card contents in the paper? How about writing an article or two to try and get the student-body out the to Doyt to support their team?

I understand the need to be "non-biased" in the media (OK...I almost wrote that without smirking). However, I think there is a stark difference between being supportive of your alma mater and actually hurting the reputation of your institution.

BTW, does anyone know if anyone took this smarmy buffoon to task in the paper today??? If you want to talk smack (especially about your alma mater), you have to be prepared to take in 10-fold when you're made to eat crow...

[FalconTurf]

I feel there is a difference between saying BG is going to win every game it plays (i.e., being a mouthpiece for the university) and being a complete @$$-hat by dissing your alma mater's sports team by eluding to the fact that it can't even dare to provide competition to its opponent. Would the BG News be a "stooge" for the university if it printed the "New Traditions" card contents in the paper? How about writing an article or two to try and get the student-body out the to Doyt to support their team?

I understand the need to be "non-biased" in the media (OK...I almost wrote that without smirking). However, I think there is a stark difference between being supportive of your alma mater and actually hurting the reputation of your institution.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who views it this way. I was fearing that I had become a supreme @$$-hat myself. Now I know I can keep working toward that goal.

[VDub26Falcon]

I doubt 24 would rip us.

Isn't the newspaper where TV news gets all its stories?

First off, I'm not here to start a BG24 vs. BGNews battle but let me just say that we never once stole a story from the BGNews...NOT ONCE...on more than one occasion, however, there were Feature stories that we did, such as a story on the Athletic Archives in Anderson Arena that I personally did. 2 Weeks later it shows up in the BGNews...that situation was cleared up very easilt...there are other examples of things we did on, say, a Tuesday that showed up in the BGNews on a Wednesday or Thursday...now, obviously this does NOT include regular news stories such as a fire or a court case...this is strictly feature peaces...I don't want to "open any cans of worms" but I had to say this...I was great friends with Colin and Turner and even had Turner on a BG24 Sports Special...the Sports folks at the BGNews and BG24 and BGRSO tried to work together, unlike the News Departments of these organizations...Where was this going???

There is nothing that says the BGNews of BG24 has to support BG Athletics during every statement it says about the Athletic Dept. There were many times where we did stories that talked about how the Athletic Department needed to change some things before it sinks.

[tiznow]

I think it reflects on the attitudes a lot of students have towards our sports teams in general here. The hordes of people who leave during games to go home to watch the Buckeyes play, the poor attendance for big MAC games, BG will always be a school where the students will hop on the bandwagon when things are going well and will find it easy and fashionable to pick them to lose when things aren't going well.

A little bit of optimism will go a long way in the BG News to help boost student support of their teams here.

You hit it exactly. When I was at BG, the hockey prgram was strong. It used to piss me off when people would leave the football games early to go watch the Buckeyes, but these same people would root for the Falcons hockey when they played Ohio State.