Just have to say...

[FalconTurf]

It really starting to annoy me how many posts this week (on this site and others) refer to App. St. as DII. They are DI-AA (by the old division title). DII is the likes of Findlay, Tiffin and Ashland (App. St. is equivalent to Youngstown State).

It is also annoying to see Mid-Major fans bashing a DI-AA for thinking about getting into the top 25. This is the same argument that is used by the BCS fans to keep Mid-Majors out of the BIG MONEY Bowls.

If they can beat the No. 5 team in the polls then they deserve the opportunity to voted among the top 25 whether or not they are legit top 25 or not.

There's a difference between us arguing that some of our teams belong near the top of our division and arguing that a 1AA school belongs near the top of a division ahead of them.

Appy State is a 63 scholarship school compared to 117 85 scholarship schools. They are not better than more than a handful of those teams. They beat one because that team totally overlooked them and didn't show up to play.

That team is not nearly as talented as the teams in the top 25, and they aren't even as talented as BG. They are a lower division school. They'll go to the 1AA playoffs, possibly win it all again, and be happy. They are just not one of the 25 best teams in D1 football.

Do they belong in the Top 50 of our division? I doubt it, probably somewhere between 90 and 117. It would be interesting if we could have Temple and Appy St. flip schedules and see if they could win a couple of games.

Should they get some votes based on this single victory? Absolutely.

Appy State does not have the same number of scholarships, the quality of athletes or even the status of the IA schools. The reason they should get votes is that on a single Saturday they proved they had a TEAM that could compete and beat a team full of very good individual football players.

For this reason give them a few votes.

The BCS conferences don't think MAC schools should get votes in their polls either!

[BGSUFootballFan]

When you have 120 very similar looking oranges and 1 apple and someone told you to pick the best 25 ORANGES you shouldn't put the apple in there! Even if all the oranges are sh*t and the apple is great, its not what you are looking for. It's something completely different.

Formerly 1-AA, is a whole lot different than D-1. No team 1-AA should ever be ranked in the Top 25 no matter what they do!

[hammb]

It really starting to annoy me how many posts this week (on this site and others) refer to App. St. as DII. They are DI-AA (by the old division title). DII is the likes of Findlay, Tiffin and Ashland (App. St. is equivalent to Youngstown State).

It is also annoying to see Mid-Major fans bashing a DI-AA for thinking about getting into the top 25. This is the same argument that is used by the BCS fans to keep Mid-Majors out of the BIG MONEY Bowls.

If they can beat the No. 5 team in the polls then they deserve the opportunity to voted among the top 25 whether or not they are legit top 25 or not.

There's a difference between us arguing that some of our teams belong near the top of our division and arguing that a 1AA school belongs near the top of a division ahead of them.

Appy State is a 63 scholarship school compared to 117 85 scholarship schools. They are not better than more than a handful of those teams. They beat one because that team totally overlooked them and didn't show up to play.

That team is not nearly as talented as the teams in the top 25, and they aren't even as talented as BG. They are a lower division school. They'll go to the 1AA playoffs, possibly win it all again, and be happy. They are just not one of the 25 best teams in D1 football.

Do they belong in the Top 50 of our division? I doubt it, probably somewhere between 90 and 117. It would be interesting if we could have Temple and Appy St. flip schedules and see if they could win a couple of games.

Should they get some votes based on this single victory? Absolutely.

Appy State does not have the same number of scholarships, the quality of athletes or even the status of the IA schools. The reason they should get votes is that on a single Saturday they proved they had a TEAM that could compete and beat a team full of very good individual football players.

For this reason give them a few votes.

The BCS conferences don't think MAC schools should get votes in their polls either!

So you want them to get some silly token votes? What is this the laughable ESPN bottom 10 poll where we have a laughing joke of a vote? No, they only should get votes if somebody honestly thinks they're in the top 25 teams in Division 1. Anybody that thinks that is obviously delusional, so they do not deserve any votes.

The difference here is simple. The BCS fans may THINK that the MAC schools don't deserve votes in "Their" poll, but it is in FACT not "their" poll. It is OUR poll. That's the difference, we are in the same division and compete on a similar playing field as they. Sure we don't have the tradition, or the extra millions of Revenue to play with, but when you get down to it it is still our 85 best against their 85 best. 1AA is a whole different ball game.

If we played that Appy state team we'd be 3 TD favorites and I'd expect us to win by about that much. That game last Saturday was a whole helluva lot more about A) Michigan being overrated and B) Michigan overlooking their opponent and playing poorly, than it was about C) Appy State is the greatest 1AA school in history.

It was fun as hell watching that team win, but it's ludicrous to now start saying they belong in the top 25.

[Schadenfreude]

Formerly 1-AA, is a whole lot different than D-1. No team 1-AA should ever be ranked in the Top 25 no matter what they do!

As I said in another thread, Miami was ranked in the AP Top 20 in 1955. I'm pretty sure Miami was still "small college" along with the rest of the MAC at the time, rather than "university division."

Also, I think had Bowling Green won in Ann Arbor, we would be shocked and appalled if we weren't ranked.

[Flipper]

If Appy State wants to be ranked within the division 1A poll, they should join division 1A. They have the resources to do so.. I'd rather have them in the MAC than UCF or Marshall

The point is moot really...as hammb and others have pointed out, they aren't a top 25 team.

[FalconTurf]

Simply by playing a IAA the IA have invited them in.

Token votes from me - NO. Sorry I'm not a voter. Some voters wish to vote for them then they should be allowed. Want to blame someone then blame the NCAA for allowing inter-divisional games and blame the ADs, coaches and Univ. Presidents and TV networks for looking for additional games for financial gain. Finally, blame the big program that made the IAA look legit.

This is as simple as I can state my opinion (as little as it's worth) - IAA was left into the party and now they should be allowed a drink, eat and dance. If college football doesn't want them at the party stop inviting them.

[FalconTurf]

Also, I think had Bowling Green won in Ann Arbor, we would be shocked and appalled if we weren't ranked.

Even if we weren't a legit Top 25 team we certainly would.

[BGSUFootballFan]

Formerly 1-AA, is a whole lot different than D-1. No team 1-AA should ever be ranked in the Top 25 no matter what they do!

As I said in another thread, Miami was ranked in the AP Top 20 in 1955. I'm pretty sure Miami was still "small college" along with the rest of the MAC at the time, rather than "university division."

Also, I think had Bowling Green won in Ann Arbor, we would be shocked and appalled if we weren't ranked.

Yes, but we are D-1. I don't care if we are tiny D-1 and App St is huge 1-AA. We play in the same division of football as Michigan and they don't. So IMO yes we can be ranked, and no App St can't be! If they want to be ranked they should join a conference in D-1 and play with the rest of us week in and week out, by the exact same rules.

[Schadenfreude]

Yes, but we are D-1. I don't care if we are tiny D-1 and App St is huge 1-AA. We play in the same division of football as Michigan and they don't.

Appalachian State is Division I, too.

A and AA are subdivisions

Anyway, I'm looking at the Michigan-Oregon halftime score, and I don't think I'd rank Appalachian State any more.