BGSU APR scores...looking sweet!!

[Falcon Fanatic]

Winning is the only thing that matters in college football! If BG goes 2 - 10 next year does clawson say hey but our APR is moving up?

Tyrone Willingham was fired at Notre Dame and the AD said " he and the players did everything right monday through friday but not on saturday.

Urban Myer had more players arrested during his time at Florida than any team I can remember and he is looked at as a saint because he won. Nobody cared !

Nobody cared what was going on at Ohio State the past 10 years because they were winning.

Yes you would like to have the best of both worlds but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that college football is about anything other than winning..

Wrong. In so many ways, wrong. How do you account for Duke having a team? Vanderbilt? U of Chicago with 29 losing seasons since 1969? These are schools who A) Do things right, B) lose with stunning regularity. No alumni screaming to bring in questionable kids, nobody giving trust fund babies even more money to play for Duke, none of that. Year after year they quietly take their beatings and move on. Yet they continue to play. Something to be said about the character that sports instills in people when you play and administer them correctly.

+1

[musicman2343]

Winning is the only thing that matters in college football! If BG goes 2 - 10 next year does clawson say hey but our APR is moving up?

Tyrone Willingham was fired at Notre Dame and the AD said " he and the players did everything right monday through friday but not on saturday.

Urban Myer had more players arrested during his time at Florida than any team I can remember and he is looked at as a saint because he won. Nobody cared !

Nobody cared what was going on at Ohio State the past 10 years because they were winning.

Yes you would like to have the best of both worlds but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that college football is about anything other than winning..

+1 and 1 to the two previous posts. Now for my $0.02:

You are completely missing the point of collegiate athletics. I have 2 reasons behind this:

1) Ironically I happen to be on vacation this week and visited an old professor of mine who left BG for another position. It is a DIII school and he showed me around their campus. He said this (paraphrased): "We do have a football team. They're pretty bad - but at a school where the lowest GPA is a 3.7, they are truly student-athletes."

Note the order of words: "student-athlete" not "athlete-student." Collegiate athletics are established in a way that the players are students first and then athletes.

2) You may remember an NCAA commercial which said this: "There are over 400,000 NCAA student-athletes, and almost all of us will be going pro in something other than sports." Hmm... seems the NCAA realizes what is more important in the long run.

Yes, wins count for a lot in college sports; however, they should not be made by sacrificing academics.

[transfer2BGSU]

1) Ironically I happen to be on vacation this week and visited an old professor of mine who left BG for another position. It is a DIII school and he showed me around their campus. He said this (paraphrased): "We do have a football team. They're pretty bad - but at a school where the lowest GPA is a 3.7, they are truly student-athletes."

Note the order of words: "student-athlete" not "athlete-student." Collegiate athletics are established in a way that the players are students first and then athletes.

The former head coach at the university I worked at in North Carolina was the offensive coordinator at another institution before joining us and he used to tell his offensive line that the combined SAT scores of the opposition wasn't as high as one of theirs.

I loved D-III football. Some of our players would never have made a squad at a D-I or D-II program, but they played their heart out for old MC.

[Globetrotter]

Winning is the only thing that matters in college football! If BG goes 2 - 10 next year does clawson say hey but our APR is moving up?

Tyrone Willingham was fired at Notre Dame and the AD said " he and the players did everything right monday through friday but not on saturday.

Urban Myer had more players arrested during his time at Florida than any team I can remember and he is looked at as a saint because he won. Nobody cared !

Nobody cared what was going on at Ohio State the past 10 years because they were winning.

Yes you would like to have the best of both worlds but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that college football is about anything other than winning..

+1

People still dont care what went on at OSU.

It is about other things then winning. But if winning is not happening the other things don't matter.

[sportydude1818]

Duke and Vanderbilt fire the football coaches all the time so not sure what your point is. They may have great kids and high gpa's but they still fire the football coach every few years because they stink. Yale fired it's coach a few years back because they couldn't beat harvard! Anyone who thinks fans, alumni an administration care about anything other than winning are kidding themselves.
We have one guy talking about duke and vandy and another guy talking about sone division 3 football program that loses all the time? When bg goes D3 than maybe winning won't matter but until than DC needs to win some football games or else he will looking for a new Job very soon.

[Drago]

All the APR is are kids staying eligible and not transfering. You can have a bunch of guys with a 2.5 gpa and have a great APR as long as the kids don't transfer. Our performance on the football field isn't about having a bunch of smart kids...it has more to do with hiring a coach who can't move the football against decent 1A defenses. As his track record shows the last 3 years. When the AD puts out a release to show how great APR scores are, you know how bad our sports are doing.

[musicman2343]

Duke and Vanderbilt fire the football coaches all the time so not sure what your point is. They may have great kids and high gpa's but they still fire the football coach every few years because they stink. Yale fired it's coach a few years back because they couldn't beat harvard! Anyone who thinks fans, alumni an administration care about anything other than winning are kidding themselves.
We have one guy talking about duke and vandy and another guy talking about sone division 3 football program that loses all the time? When bg goes D3 than maybe winning won't matter but until than DC needs to win some football games or else he will looking for a new Job very soon.

Thank you for proving your stupidity.

I am an alumnus and while I love it when we win, I am happy that our students are succeeding in the classroom.

[AyZiggy97]

All the APR is are kids staying eligible and not transfering. You can have a bunch of guys with a 2.5 gpa and have a great APR as long as the kids don't transfer. Our performance on the football field isn't about having a bunch of smart kids...it has more to do with hiring a coach who can't move the football against decent 1A defenses. As his track record shows the last 3 years. When the AD puts out a release to show how great APR scores are, you know how bad our sports are doing.

The AD put out a release on the APR? The release I saw had Jason Knavel's name on it.

BG averaged 402.9 yards per and 28.5 points per game in '09. But yeah, Clawson is the one who doesn't know what he's doing.

[Flipper]

Do wins count more than academics at BGSU? The evidence saya no. Gregg Brandon had a winning record here...he didn't get fired after his one losing season here, he got fired after going .500. with a poor APR and a slew of off field problems

[h2oville rocket]

Duke and Vanderbilt fire the football coaches all the time so not sure what your point is.

I'm not surprised.

[Globetrotter]

Do wins count more than academics at BGSU? The evidence saya no. Gregg Brandon had a winning record here...he didn't get fired after his one losing season here, he got fired after going .500. with a poor APR and a slew of off field problems

If he was having 10 win seasons and the program seemed to be progressing he would have likely stayed.

[VDub26Falcon]

Football isn't Duke's moneymaker...Not sure if you've seen but they have one of the most watched/hated teams in college basketball. If you don't think they pull in 2x what their football team does, you're nuts. Now Vandy on the other hand...I don't know how they stay afloat. SEC Profit Sharing???

[footballguy51]

I have not replied to this topic for a number of reasons, but I think I finally will. APR scores do matter for a football team. If your APR is too low, you lose scholarships through NCAA sanctions. As was mentioned earlier, a good APR score is not from having brainchildren on the team. It's from keeping kids on the team for their full tenure, and ensuring that they stay in good academic standing. We should be proud of our athletics that we are able to tout such APR scores.

As far as Clawson and winning goes, please refer to his records at the past schools he's coached at. I knew when we hired him that we would hit a bumpy path for the first few years. But, if you review his teams' records, you can see that it takes him a year or two to get the team the way he wants it. Year 3 at Fordham was his first successful year, and years 4 and 5 were excellent. His first year at Richmond wasn't very good, but his second year was great and he held a winning record after that.

His first year at BG, he jumped into a team that was setup to run a different offense than what he runs, and had Senior leadership that was prepared to run the old offense. So, he tweaked the old offense and used that his first year. A 7-5 regular season record wasn't spectacular, but it got us to a bowl game. Last year, the vast majority of the senior leadership in the offense was gone, so he was able to start implementing his offense. Last year was essentially like year one at his past two stops. I expect this year to be around .500, and then for us to be competing for conference titles after that. Historical data supports this prediction. Anybody that thinks Clawson needs to win 8 or 9 games this year to save his job doesn't understand the process he uses to build successful football teams.

[MarkL]

Footballguy51 -

Your post is why I need a like button!!

[Flipper]

Do wins count more than academics at BGSU? The evidence saya no. Gregg Brandon had a winning record here...he didn't get fired after his one losing season here, he got fired after going .500. with a poor APR and a slew of off field problems

If he was having 10 win seasons and the program seemed to be progressing he would have likely stayed.

That's an assumption....I stated facts. I win...