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Falcon137 wrote: How has the athletic department made it a chore for you, hammb? Every game is a Saturday with 1 noon kickoff, minus the Columbus game the day after thanksgiving. Which most people would have blown off anyway. The fact you have to drive 2 hours for 1 game is going to turn you off to the program? Sounds like you are looking for a reason to become disinterested in the program.

Firstly, I had decided not to renew my tickets long before I heard about the idiocy of holding a home game in Columbus. It's been ongoing for years, and I don't mean to imply that the issue is solely the BG athletic department...the MAC office shares just as much (if not more) of the blame. Every season there are games on weird weeknights, games that change the date/time for TV, weeknight games that are so early you can't get there in time even when you work in Toledo, etc, etc. When I was in school and the years immediately following my graduation I never missed a game, so I started buying season tickets. Then last year I was at one of our stupid weeknight games and I was walking around the stadium trying to give away some of the extra tickets I had. Then I went in to watch the game by myself because my friends/family either couldn't make it to the game or didn't want to go to a weeknight game to watch a mediocre product. That's when it hit me that it's not even fun anymore. Year after year there is at least one game that is more of a pain in the ass than actual enjoyment...yet I always felt obligated to go since I had season tickets. That was the 2nd to last home game last year and after it hit me that I wasn't enjoying them I finally skipped the last game of the year.

On top of that the product of MAC football has gone to total s**t. It's boring. The quality of play is just BAD. I fully expect BG to compete for a MAC title this year, but compared to the rest of the college football landscape that's not really saying that much anymore. The overall level of play throughout the MAC has gone down to the point where I feel like I'd rather be watching other college games on television than low level of play that has become the MAC.

Basically, over the past few years the only redeeming quality of BG football for me has become the tailgating. I still love getting out and seeing everybody from the board, but we only seem to play one Saturday evening game a year. I hope I can still find a way to make it to a game or two this year so I can at least come out and hang out with the regulars, but until BG and the MAC do something to make the product more interesting again I'm done planning my fall around BG games. BG football has fallen to the point (for me) that I will gladly watch a game if I'm home and it's on TV, or I'll go to the game if I'm free. But I just don't think it's worthy of making it the focal point of my fall anymore. And judging by our attendance figures I don't think I'm alone.
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I don't think the MAC is where it was 10 years ago, but I think the quality has improved over the past couple of seasons. In terms of football talent, we have better athletes now than we've had in a long time. It's just a matter of getting them the time to improve and develop and I think we're there now.

So far as the attendance issue goes....other than 2003 when we had NIU and UT and the carry over enthusasm from spending so many weeks ranked during the prior season...when hasn't attendance sucked? Hell...in 2003 we drew what, 5,000 people for the Kent game? For whatever reason, attendance at BGSU football games appears to be almost completely non correlating to the product on the field.
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Redwingtom wrote: Another problem...I hope we end up having...is what if this game happens to be for the East title? That could really suck for the loyal fans who can't make the 2+ hour trip.
I would wager a fairly healthy amount of "loyal" season ticket holders drive an hour plus. I wont disagree that a large portion live in and around BG. But a lot already make drives from Cleveland, Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, Cincy.

So while I'm sure some season ticket holders wont go to Columbus for various reasons, my guess is East title or not most wouldn't go anyway, especially the swaths of tickets that would be given to companies. If the East title is on the line I would imagine a fairly healthy student turnout in Columbus. Both from those that can make drives up and down 71 from Cincy and Cleveland or those from Dayton who can make a quick drive across 70, plus those will go visit friends at Ohio State where, they can party at a BG game, go out in Columbus and stay and party for the Michigan game on Saturday.

There are as many "loyal" fans outside NW Ohio, that drive 2+ hours to games now. I do feel bad for someone who can't make it from Toledo. But those traveling from Cleveland, Akron, Cincy, Dayton, and just about everywhere else in Ohio, it's not a big deal. One of the draws for me getting season tickets is having an excuse to go back to campus, hit up the old spots I used to go out to and eat the places I loved in college.

1 game a year away from BG isn't breaking my heart. I have 8 season tickets this year, probably more than I need. But when I told some friends about this Columbus game they asked if they could go. So I'm personally taking 4 people that have never experienced a BG game and never would have if they didn't play this game in Columbus.

Some people love the idea, some hate it, some are indifferent. I don't see why everyone is rushing to judgement before it even happens. I would hope people aren't saying eff it, I'm not getting season tickets because we may play 1 neutral site game somewhere every 2 years.
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Falcon137 wrote: How has the athletic department made it a chore for you, hammb? Every game is a Saturday with 1 noon kickoff, minus the Columbus game the day after thanksgiving. Which most people would have blown off anyway. The fact you have to drive 2 hours for 1 game is going to turn you off to the program? Sounds like you are looking for a reason to become disinterested in the program.
Firstly, I had decided not to renew my tickets long before I heard about the idiocy of holding a home game in Columbus. It's been ongoing for years, and I don't mean to imply that the issue is solely the BG athletic department...the MAC office shares just as much (if not more) of the blame. Every season there are games on weird weeknights, games that change the date/time for TV, weeknight games that are so early you can't get there in time even when you work in Toledo, etc, etc. When I was in school and the years immediately following my graduation I never missed a game, so I started buying season tickets. Then last year I was at one of our stupid weeknight games and I was walking around the stadium trying to give away some of the extra tickets I had. Then I went in to watch the game by myself because my friends/family either couldn't make it to the game or didn't want to go to a weeknight game to watch a mediocre product. That's when it hit me that it's not even fun anymore. Year after year there is at least one game that is more of a pain in the ass than actual enjoyment...yet I always felt obligated to go since I had season tickets. That was the 2nd to last home game last year and after it hit me that I wasn't enjoying them I finally skipped the last game of the year.

On top of that the product of MAC football has gone to total s**t. It's boring. The quality of play is just BAD. I fully expect BG to compete for a MAC title this year, but compared to the rest of the college football landscape that's not really saying that much anymore. The overall level of play throughout the MAC has gone down to the point where I feel like I'd rather be watching other college games on television than low level of play that has become the MAC.

Basically, over the past few years the only redeeming quality of BG football for me has become the tailgating. I still love getting out and seeing everybody from the board, but we only seem to play one Saturday evening game a year. I hope I can still find a way to make it to a game or two this year so I can at least come out and hang out with the regulars, but until BG and the MAC do something to make the product more interesting again I'm done planning my fall around BG games. BG football has fallen to the point (for me) that I will gladly watch a game if I'm home and it's on TV, or I'll go to the game if I'm free. But I just don't think it's worthy of making it the focal point of my fall anymore. And judging by our attendance figures I don't think I'm alone.
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Flipper wrote:For whatever reason, attendance at BGSU football games appears to be almost completely non correlating to the product on the field.
Bingo. Except remove the word 'almost.'
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After reading all the posts:

I get season tickets every year (since 1996) and go to as many road games as I can each season to support my favorite football team...not the NFL or osu/um/nd or pick another one. I go to support BOWLING GREEN and the players that take the field for our alma mater. If you have a beef with the Athletic Dept, fine. There are reasons to have a beef with them. But the players don't control anything but what happens on the field.

Funny thing is some people have no problem supporting crappy NFL teams like the Browns and Lions every year, make house payments for a beer and then talk about the product at BG? That bird doesn't fly.
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Mike,
I agree with you...and Hambb, I'm sorry buddy, but your complaints don't hold too much water with me either. As one of the "distant" Falcons who travel over 2+ hrs to see BG play and a season ticket holder for about 18yrs or so, I find your bitching about the MAC and BG rather weak.
Does the MAC now equal 2003? Probably not, but I see more and more 3 star kids coming into the MAC, and there's a "major" upset nearly every year by one or more of the conference teams. Will be beat Fla. and/or VT? Odds say no, but we weren't supposed to win at Kentucky, Purdue, or Pitt (most recent one, I think)...but we did win. Hard to say what this group will do, but if they stay healthy, the experience is there, except for the WR's. If any of those guys come along, it could get interesting.
Finally, there IS one area that scares me a bit....a lack of a strong backup at QB...If Shilz were to go down, we're VERY inexperienced there.
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I don't think many of us are complaining too much about a game being scheduled in Columbus,Cleveland or Cincy for that matter, if it were a "big time" opponent, but forcing people to buy the ticket with their season ticket package for a home league game to be played in Columbus, just doesn't sit very well with a lot of us local BG fans. I wonder how many season ticket holders we have (not including player parents) from the Columbus area. Maybe more than I think we have.
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Find my complaints weak if you want. I just know that ten years ago I lived and breathed big football and the Mac. It was fun.

The past few seasons have been boring and uninteresting. To compare it to the browns is just laughable...they're terrible but its still the NFL which I find infinitely more entertaining than college football.

Kudos to everyone who still worships the program I wish I could but anymore its just not how I want to spend my time or entertainment dollars.
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hammb wrote:Find my complaints weak if you want. I just know that ten years ago I lived and breathed big football and the Mac. It was fun.

The past few seasons have been boring and uninteresting. To compare it to the browns is just laughable...they're terrible but its still the NFL which I find infinitely more entertaining than college football.

Kudos to everyone who still worships the program I wish I could but anymore its just not how I want to spend my time or entertainment dollars.
I don't see a lot of drop off in MAC football the last 10-15 years. Now, in basketball I see a huge drop off in terms of quality teams and players during that time.
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hammb wrote:Find my complaints weak if you want. I just know that ten years ago I lived and breathed big football and the Mac. It was fun.

The past few seasons have been boring and uninteresting. To compare it to the browns is just laughable...they're terrible but its still the NFL which I find infinitely more entertaining than college football.

Kudos to everyone who still worships the program I wish I could but anymore its just not how I want to spend my time or entertainment dollars.
And that's where we differ. I couldn't care less about the NFL...except to see how former BG and other MAC players are doing. There is no team loyalty, in most cases, with the players. Gone are the days when guys like Clay Matthews and Ozzie Newsome played all or nearly all of their careers with one team. Most guys look to jump to the next big check. And all the shenanigans on the field make it look like the WWE on turf. As far as comparing to the Browns, I found it ironic you would cut on the BG product while supporting a team that has had one playoff appearance and two winning seasons since 1999...and most of the time they win, what, 4 games? But you are entitled to spend your dollars the way you want and if the Browns fit the bill for you, great. In contrast, I find the college game so much more entertaining and fun...except the BCS level. I love watching Div 2 and Div 3 as well...the kids play their asses off for the love of the game.

I can honestly say I will live and breathe BG football til the day I die...the Falcons are MY team and always will be. To each his own... :supz:
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factman wrote:I don't think many of us are complaining too much about a game being scheduled in Columbus,Cleveland or Cincy for that matter, if it were a "big time" opponent, but forcing people to buy the ticket with their season ticket package for a home league game to be played in Columbus, just doesn't sit very well with a lot of us local BG fans. I wonder how many season ticket holders we have (not including player parents) from the Columbus area. Maybe more than I think we have.
That is a fair view, IMO, for local BG fans, FM. Trust me, I would love to live within 30 min of the Doyt and not have to drive 2+ hours, one way, to get to home games. It just isn't possible at this time. I don't know how many season ticket holders live in the Cbus area but I believe there is a large number of BG alumni in that area.
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Falconfreak90 wrote:
factman wrote:I don't think many of us are complaining too much about a game being scheduled in Columbus,Cleveland or Cincy for that matter, if it were a "big time" opponent, but forcing people to buy the ticket with their season ticket package for a home league game to be played in Columbus, just doesn't sit very well with a lot of us local BG fans. I wonder how many season ticket holders we have (not including player parents) from the Columbus area. Maybe more than I think we have.
That is a fair view, IMO, for local BG fans, FM. Trust me, I would love to live within 30 min of the Doyt and not have to drive 2+ hours, one way, to get to home games. It just isn't possible at this time. I don't know how many season ticket holders live in the Cbus area but I believe there is a large number of BG alumni in that area.
And, I don't think the point of this game was to cater to an already existing season ticket holder fanbase that lives in a large metropolitan area as you are probably correct with your statement of not having many season ticket holders in the Cbus area. However, like Freak said, there is a large group of alumni in the Columbus area, and if we can lure them back, that helps to increase the season ticket holders for BGSU. It's a marketing scheme to attract new clients and it's not a bad idea at all.
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footballguy51 wrote:
Falconfreak90 wrote:
factman wrote:I don't think many of us are complaining too much about a game being scheduled in Columbus,Cleveland or Cincy for that matter, if it were a "big time" opponent, but forcing people to buy the ticket with their season ticket package for a home league game to be played in Columbus, just doesn't sit very well with a lot of us local BG fans. I wonder how many season ticket holders we have (not including player parents) from the Columbus area. Maybe more than I think we have.
That is a fair view, IMO, for local BG fans, FM. Trust me, I would love to live within 30 min of the Doyt and not have to drive 2+ hours, one way, to get to home games. It just isn't possible at this time. I don't know how many season ticket holders live in the Cbus area but I believe there is a large number of BG alumni in that area.
And, I don't think the point of this game was to cater to an already existing season ticket holder fanbase that lives in a large metropolitan area as you are probably correct with your statement of not having many season ticket holders in the Cbus area. However, like Freak said, there is a large group of alumni in the Columbus area, and if we can lure them back, that helps to increase the season ticket holders for BGSU. It's a marketing scheme to attract new clients and it's not a bad idea at all.
How many local season ticket holders do we have? My guess is not as many as you think. Not fans, season ticket holders. I know BG has plenty of locals who are "fans." They show up for the first game, the Toledo game, and maybe Miami. But, only if Ohio State or Michigan aren't playing....and only if it's above 60 and not raining.

Don't get me wrong, there are locals and die hards , like yourself who have season tickets and make it to every game. But, I would wager it's about the same number as those who drive from all over the state to make it to games.

Footballguy makes a great point. The point is trying to create new fans / get the thousands of alumni living in Columbus re-energized back in the program and in the university.

Next year on 8-31 when BG kicks off with Tulsa the locals will be there.....as long as Ohio State or Michigan aren't playing, the weather is warm (but not to warm), and it's not raining.
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BGSU Football (and other sports) are well worth the 1 1/2 hour drive we make to see games. Over Rt.6, between corn fields, dodging deer, it's all worth it. If there's a better value for my entertainment dollar in the region, I haven't seen it.

Can't wait to pick up my season tickets!
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