Inferiority Complex

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BGSU-Ph.D. wrote: Another point: BG, Toledo, Miami, etc. get plenty of television exposure -- more than many of the non-elite teams in the "BCS" conferences.
How much of that is due to the MAC's willingness to abandon the Saturday tradition games? Most BCS teams still play their games on Saturdays as opposed to throughout the week.
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Well, yeah. I don't think that makes a big difference to a recruit. If you can come to BG and be on national television four times per year or go to Indiana and be on national t.v. once, then that has to be a plus in the recruiting game (regardless of whether the games are on Tuesday or Saturday).
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BGSU-Ph.D. wrote:Over the past few weeks, many posters has expressed their surprise at the idea that some of BG's recruits actually choose BG over Pitt., Wisconsin, West Virginia, and the like.

Why does this surprise you so much?
Probably from years and years of hearing the surprise of the sports media when good players pick schools like BG. It is more of conditioning than any complex is my guess.

And in response to your "middle" of the road schools...I have to disagree. (Northwestern is only a few years removed from winning the Big 10. BTW) Not to mention the way the BCS was originally set up, every school in a major conference had a chance at a BCS bid. Yes even the Baylors of the major conferences had a shot, when teams in the other conferences had no shot. Even if a "major" conference like the Big East had a down year it's conference champ still had a BCS Bid and Buck$ waiting for them.
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Northwestern hasn't been to the Rose Bowl since 1995 - 10 years ago. I don't see them getting back anytime soon.

I'm not in these kids' heads (thank god), but I wonder how much being a BCS bottom dweller impresses them. Sure Baylor, Duke, and Vanderbilt have a chance, but it isn't likely that they will sniff a BCS game or even a run-of-the-mill bowl game. In fact, I say the chances of teams like BG, Miami, Boise, and, of course, Utah making the BCS are better than those of many (not most, but many) BCS schools. This is especially true since the BCS will be expanded during these recruits' college careers.
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Why do we keep putting these discussions in terms of MAC vs. other conferences or BCS vs. non-BCS?

No disrespect to the MAC, but I'm talking about BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY!

Let's put this discussion in terms of Top 25 program (BGSU) vs. whatever other program.
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BGSU-Ph.D. wrote:Why do we keep putting these discussions in terms of MAC vs. other conferences or BCS vs. non-BCS?

No disrespect to the MAC, but I'm talking about BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY!

Let's put this discussion in terms of Top 25 program (BGSU) vs. whatever other program.
Because unity of teams and conferences outside of the traditional BCS is the best offense against keeping teams like BGSU and others (Utah, Air Force, Boise State). If BG and other top 25 type programs outside of the BCS inner circle only fight for their own spot at the table, then what happens when one of those teams has a down year or two in a row? Their spot is taken by an Iowa State, Northwestern or some other flash in the pan from a BCS conference.
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BGALUMNI wrote:
BGSU-Ph.D. wrote:Why do we keep putting these discussions in terms of MAC vs. other conferences or BCS vs. non-BCS?

No disrespect to the MAC, but I'm talking about BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY!

Let's put this discussion in terms of Top 25 program (BGSU) vs. whatever other program.
Because unity of teams and conferences outside of the traditional BCS is the best offense against keeping teams like BGSU and others (Utah, Air Force, Boise State). If BG and other top 25 type programs outside of the BCS inner circle only fight for their own spot at the table, then what happens when one of those teams has a down year or two in a row? Their spot is taken by an Iowa State, Northwestern or some other flash in the pan from a BCS conference.
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OK, I think we are confusing issues. I'm talking about BG's recruiting, not the MAC's recruiting. I'm talking about highlighting BG's accomplishments when compared to those Big East and mid-level Big Ten teams. I'm talking about presenting BG for what BG is -- a top 25 football team. I'm wondering why we as BG fans think freakin' West Virginia is a better option than BG.

This doesn't mean that the powers that be shouldn't show MAC unity when negotiating bowl and t.v. deals.
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"I'm talking about presenting BG for what BG is -- a top 25 football team. I'm wondering why we as BG fans think freakin' West Virginia is a better option than BG."

This is what I mean by saying it is a good thing that we only have to go through one Big Ten school, Boise and Temple.

If you win 9 games per year, you're going to get more attention from people. However, there is no way that you could convince me that we're a true Top 25 program at this point.

Two years ago when we were ranked 22 or so and got as I high as 16 I think, we were right ahead of teams like Florida. Now, you may say UF sucked because of Ron Zook but if they would've played our schedule, they would've gone undefeated and vice-versa, we would've been lucky to be .500.

The MAC in general sucks, period. This season out of 119 or so DI-A teams, I remember the MAC having about 5 or 6 spots below 100. I love BG but we are getting a little bit too big for our britches at this point. Half of our wins come from bottom feeder teams! Ball State, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Buffalo, Central Michigan....these programs are a joke and not too long ago, we were too! Indiana and Northwestern and Illinois would compete for a MAC title at this point, year in and year out.


All I'm saying is lets not get too far ahead of ourselves in terms of how good we are. We can compete with anybody right now and it is freaking sweet. But, we're an Omar blown ACL from being a 6-5 team. We're not as good as West Virginia and we sure as hell couldn't compete for a Big Ten title.

We have an excellent football team but let's be real modest as we move forward. We're not as prolific as WVa but who gives a damn. All we can do is work hard with the players we have and move on from there.
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basketballcontact wrote:However, there is no way that you could convince me that we're a true Top 25 program at this point.

Two years ago when we were ranked 22 or so and got as I high as 16 I think, we were right ahead of teams like Florida. Now, you may say UF sucked because of Ron Zook but if they would've played our schedule, they would've gone undefeated and vice-versa, we would've been lucky to be .500.

The MAC in general sucks, period. This season out of 119 or so DI-A teams, I remember the MAC having about 5 or 6 spots below 100. I love BG but we are getting a little bit too big for our britches at this point. Half of our wins come from bottom feeder teams! Ball State, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Buffalo, Central Michigan....these programs are a joke and not too long ago, we were too! Indiana and Northwestern and Illinois would compete for a MAC title at this point, year in and year out.
[sarcasm]I'm certainly pleased we have people like you working for the cause of Falcon athletics[/sarcasm]

There is little doubt in my mind that if Bowling Green was playing a Big Ten schedule, the Falcons would be qualifying for bowl games.

We have a fantastic football team, and I am hopeful that this fall will finally put doubters like you to rest.
But, we're an Omar blown ACL from being a 6-5 team.
Two words: Anthony Turner.

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basketballcontact wrote:"I'm talking about presenting BG for what BG is -- a top 25 football team. I'm wondering why we as BG fans think freakin' West Virginia is a better option than BG."

This is what I mean by saying it is a good thing that we only have to go through one Big Ten school, Boise and Temple.

If you win 9 games per year, you're going to get more attention from people. However, there is no way that you could convince me that we're a true Top 25 program at this point.

Two years ago when we were ranked 22 or so and got as I high as 16 I think, we were right ahead of teams like Florida. Now, you may say UF sucked because of Ron Zook but if they would've played our schedule, they would've gone undefeated and vice-versa, we would've been lucky to be .500.

The MAC in general sucks, period. This season out of 119 or so DI-A teams, I remember the MAC having about 5 or 6 spots below 100. I love BG but we are getting a little bit too big for our britches at this point. Half of our wins come from bottom feeder teams! Ball State, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Buffalo, Central Michigan....these programs are a joke and not too long ago, we were too! Indiana and Northwestern and Illinois would compete for a MAC title at this point, year in and year out.


All I'm saying is lets not get too far ahead of ourselves in terms of how good we are. We can compete with anybody right now and it is freaking sweet. But, we're an Omar blown ACL from being a 6-5 team. We're not as good as West Virginia and we sure as hell couldn't compete for a Big Ten title.

We have an excellent football team but let's be real modest as we move forward. We're not as prolific as WVa but who gives a damn. All we can do is work hard with the players we have and move on from there.
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If I get scolded or banned from this site for posting this, so be it:

My suggestion is that you stick to basketball because you sure as hell don't know the first thing about BG's football team or college football in general. The comment about what would happen if Omar got injured is proof enough.

Indiana would have NO chance of winning the MAC this coming year. The same holds true for Northwestern.

Do you know anything about West Virginia's football team? Last year they had a good record, 8-4, but they had wins over the likes of Temple (your favorite), Rutgers, E. Carolina, and UCF. Not exactly world beaters, huh? They lost almost all of their "skill position" players including their QB, best RB, and a number of receivers. Sorry pal, but BG is a better team - home, neutral, or away.
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Alright fellows, I certainly don't want to be labeled as the bad guy because all I do at school is volunteer my time to help the cause.

I do know about Bowling Green as well as college football. Maybe you just think you know a little more than you really do. Certainly your opinions are your own as are mine.

I love the support from people such as yourself (BGSU-Ph.D) and I'm glad that you show such fierce backing. I drove everywhere for basketball this season because I love it so much. I'm talking everywhere: DePaul, Youngstown, Detroit, Ohio, Ball St., Toledo, Oakland, Kent St., Ohio State (scrimmage), Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan, Western Michigan and Northern Illinois. I'm a devoted fan just like you.

I hope to hell that we go 12-0 this season (w/MAC title game) and force the BCS to put us in, that would be beyond amazing. Absolute insanity!

My point is very simple, I want us to stay humble and with a level head. We're still climbing. We haven't even won a MAC title at this point and we want to be mentioned along with teams like West Virginia and Pitt (who played in a BCS game a year ago). Can we play with anybody? Without question. Could we win 9 games with a schedule similar to Ohio State or any Big Ten school? Maybe.

Bide our time and be humble with the success, that's all I'm saying.
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basketballcontact wrote:My point is very simple, I want us to stay humble and with a level head. We're still climbing. We haven't even won a MAC title at this point...
Shoot arrows if you like, but this is a valid point. Hopefully, we can put that to rest this year.
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basketballcontact wrote:We haven't even won a MAC title at this point and we want to be mentioned along with teams like West Virginia and Pitt (who played in a BCS game a year ago). Can we play with anybody? Without question. Could we win 9 games with a schedule similar to Ohio State or any Big Ten school? Maybe.
An Internet chat board is no place to tell the truth.

You are correct my friend. Look at Temple's football schedule for this upcoming season - THAT is the type of schedule I would like BGSU to play.
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basketballcontact wrote:However, there is no way that you could convince me that we're a true Top 25 program at this point.

Two years ago when we were ranked 22 or so and got as I high as 16 I think, we were right ahead of teams like Florida. Now, you may say UF sucked because of Ron Zook but if they would've played our schedule, they would've gone undefeated and vice-versa, we would've been lucky to be .500.

The MAC in general sucks, period. This season out of 119 or so DI-A teams, I remember the MAC having about 5 or 6 spots below 100. I love BG but we are getting a little bit too big for our britches at this point. Half of our wins come from bottom feeder teams! Ball State, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Buffalo, Central Michigan....these programs are a joke and not too long ago, we were too! Indiana and Northwestern and Illinois would compete for a MAC title at this point, year in and year out.
[sarcasm]I'm certainly pleased we have people like you working for the cause of Falcon athletics[/sarcasm]

There is little doubt in my mind that if Bowling Green was playing a Big Ten schedule, the Falcons would be qualifying for bowl games.

We have a fantastic football team, and I am hopeful that this fall will finally put doubters like you to rest.
But, we're an Omar blown ACL from being a 6-5 team.
Two words: Anthony Turner.

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I am trying to resist the temptation to write a very pissy response to basketballcontact's post full of contradictory statements.

I will add this - If we played in the Big Ten there are a ton of differences including revenue, exposure, etc. which can not be examined in any way other than theory. Let's realistically look only at having a big ten or a big east schedule.

We finished just outside of the top 25 in both polls, right by Pittsburgh and WVU. Minnesota and Purdue also were nearby.

Let's look at Pitt's Sched (I underlined the Home Games):
September
Sept. 11 Pittsburgh 24, Ohio 3
Sept. 18 Nebraska 24, Pittsburgh 17
Sept. 25 Pittsburgh 41, Furman 38

Sept. 30 Connecticut 29, Pittsburgh 17
October
Oct. 9 Pittsburgh 27, Temple 22
Oct. 16 Pittsburgh 20, Boston College 17
Oct. 23 Pittsburgh 41, Rutgers 17

November
Nov. 6 Syracuse 38, Pittsburgh 31
Nov. 13 Pittsburgh 41, Notre Dame 38
Nov. 25 Pittsburgh 16, West Virginia 13
December
Dec. 4 Pittsburgh 43, South Florida 14
All Times Eastern
2004 Schedule/Results
January
Jan. 1 Utah 35, Pittsburgh 7


Can you honestly say that Pitt is a better team? I mean we have to beat the Purdues of the world on the road. If we played this schedule, I bet our record would be BETTER than Pitt's. We win all the home games, IMHO. Syracuse and ND? We probably split those too. UConn? tough game.

But in all seriousness - do you think Pitt would have done better in our schedule? They lose at NIU, at Toledo, and at OU. I think they win the rest of the games.

We are a lot more equal than you might have thought. I could do this with Ohio State's schedule too - would we have lost 4 games in their schedule...yeah. Would we have been under .500? I doubt it, especially with getting some of those teams AT HOME.

The same pro BCS people who think we are worse than Pitt seem to think Utah was weak. If that is true, how did Utah beat the crap out of them?????????????? It can't be both ways with BCS teams being "underrated" because of their schedule and getting their jocks handed to them by Utah. BCS conferences are not that much stronger anymore! Take off your blinders - the stats back up my point of view: Utah was legit and we were just as good as the teams around us in the polls.

Look at the Temple score!
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Good post 30.
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