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TG1996 wrote:Very well said, Bleeding.

And Band(OH)... if Miami(OH) had been playing by the rules all along, they wouldn't have had to been so put out of their way to "reverse the stadium" in a week.
Damn, TG, you beat me to it. Damn me and my long-windedness!

I forgot to mention Temple in my rambling. Was anyone in the conference happy with Temple's admission? Again, probably just EMU and Buffalo. But, if you learn to deal with it, half the teams in the conference will be guaranteed a game in an NFL facility every year and everyone else will play there at least on a semi-regular basis. It is also likely that Temple will bring their basketball team to the MAC in the near future as a result of this agreement. That will be a boondoggle for this conference.

Again, come down off of that southwestern Ohio hilltop of arrogance and learn to deal with reality. :P
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Where are the Students suppose to sit??? Endzones? Grass Noll's?

Im sorry... but if you dig deep in the student fees at Miami or BG... you'll see a nice chunk of change going to the athletic department, and that to me makes a student a season ticket holder. Hence... students are entitled to seating much the same as anyone else.

But here's the thing... the student side was seating 7,000 students for a good game... which is a ton more then 90% of the MAC with the exception of probably OU... so what if they sit behind the visitors bench... someone has too... ask your season ticket holders how much they enjoy having the students stand behind the home team's bench?

What do you tell alumni who spend hundreds of dollars a year for those seats on the home side??

As for the band... I agree I didn't like the location... it could've been moved to a corner... no biggie...

The MAC's rules are just stupid... I'd agree to taking out student seating inbetween the 40's... but the entire sideline??? What an ass clown idea!

The MAC makes it that much harder to draw interest when you piss off your alums and student base.

As for Miami going private... it won't ever happen... but I suspect... and I know this from a high up source at BG... (that they are losing their dinners nightly) about the lack of funding from the state, and where they can make up those missing dollars. Lets put it this way... what programs or administrative staff do you want to see missing in 2006 or 2007??? Or would you rather put the responsibility of yearly increases in tuition put on the students, and have them take out loans. Miami's high tuition won't look so high after everyone else goes through their budget crunches and decides to pass the bill on to the younger generation.

Loans are not unreasonable, and your education will pay for itself 10 fold over never attending at all.


Best question of all? WHERE THE HELL IS ALL THE MONEY GOING?
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redskins4ever wrote:Where are the Students suppose to sit??? Endzones? Grass Noll's?

Im sorry... but if you dig deep in the student fees at Miami or BG... you'll see a nice chunk of change going to the athletic department, and that to me makes a student a season ticket holder. Hence... students are entitled to seating much the same as anyone else.

But here's the thing... the student side was seating 7,000 students for a good game... which is a ton more then 90% of the MAC with the exception of probably OU... so what if they sit behind the visitors bench... someone has too... ask your season ticket holders how much they enjoy having the students stand behind the home team's bench?

What do you tell alumni who spend hundreds of dollars a year for those seats on the home side??

As for the band... I agree I didn't like the location... it could've been moved to a corner... no biggie...

The MAC's rules are just stupid... I'd agree to taking out student seating inbetween the 40's... but the entire sideline??? What an ass clown idea!

The MAC makes it that much harder to draw interest when you piss off your alums and student base.

As for Miami going private... it won't ever happen... but I suspect... and I know this from a high up source at BG... (that they are losing their dinners nightly) about the lack of funding from the state, and where they can make up those missing dollars. Lets put it this way... what programs or administrative staff do you want to see missing in 2006 or 2007??? Or would you rather put the responsibility of yearly increases in tuition put on the students, and have them take out loans. Miami's high tuition won't look so high after everyone else goes through their budget crunches and decides to pass the bill on to the younger generation.

Loans are not unreasonable, and your education will pay for itself 10 fold over never attending at all.


Best question of all? WHERE THE HELL IS ALL THE MONEY GOING?
The Doyt seats well over 7000 students when it has to. Again, Miami isn't special here. Fact of the matter is that most schools across the country have enough respect for their opponents (even Toledo) to put their students on the home side or in an endzone. So deal. I suspect that Miami and NIU thought that they were somehow special last year because they have (HAD, in Miami's case now) crappy seating on the away side where they have always stuck their students. Quite frankly, it is pretty unfair to stick the students who foot most of the athletic bill in the crappy seats. That is giving way too much privalege and credit to alumnus while disrespecting future alums.

And what do you say to alums who pay money for seats on the home side? You say this: "The same game is happening on either side of the stadium. Sitting on the other side is basically like looking at the game in a mirror and it isn't any farther away." If Miami's alums aren't smart enough to realize this they need both medication and further education.

As far as Miami's "privatization" goes, they aren't as out in front of everyone as they think they are. We're all feeling the same effects of our treatment by the state. But, most other schools aren't being as "in-your-face" about dealing with state budget cuts and talking about privatization as Miami is because most schools respect where they have come from. Most schools realize that all of their buildings have been built largely on the backs of Ohio's taxpayers. Most of them.
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redskins4ever wrote:Best question of all? WHERE THE HELL IS ALL THE MONEY GOING?
Forgot a part again. Where is all of the money going? Simple: old people and lazy people on workers comp. Medicare/Medicaid and Workers Comp are the two fastest growing of the 13 major components of the state budget. If I remember correctly, prisons are a close third.

If you really want to get angry, go and compare the ammount of money the state spends on individual prisoners to the ammount spent on individual college students. I can't remember them off the top of my head, but it is ridonculous and you will likely never believe it.
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redskins4ever wrote: The MAC's rules are just stupid... I'd agree to taking out student seating inbetween the 40's... but the entire sideline??? What an ass clown idea!
I thought that was the MAC's rule anyway. Students couldn't be between the 20's or 30's...
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Fans are Fans... why do you have to discriminate against students?

Respect... come on... coaches are afraid of students and their loudness?

When I worked in the BGSU athletic department in 2002... average student attendance was 3500 per game not bad... I asked the sports marketing manager who I worked for if he could call my alma mater and ask what they did... he said no need to and that Miami consistently averaged 5500 students per game the previous season... even with a terrible turnout for a home game against UCF... whatever... doesnt matter...

Oh and the average inmate has nearly $30,000 spent on them each year.

As for Miami being so in your face... when people don't understand the tuition model... the 10K in scholarship money and then claim Miami is unaffordable it is the responsibility of the university to get the public the right information. Its better then sneaking around and allowing wild rumors to grow.

The budget crunch and the axe that will be falling on BG and other universities will not be pretty...

As for the elderly... I guess I need to move to a state where the average is less then 40 so I dont have to worry about my taxes going to hell.

Everyone say it with me... 401K good... Real Estate investment good... not going into credit card debt good... dont buy a new car every other year good...
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Miami doesn't respect its roots, eh? Hmm... I am turning this thread around here and now. No more pissing matches. I am sorry I started that, I didn't intend that to happen. Miami is 200 years old(soon) and is VERY set in its ways. BG is set in its ways. Everyone on this board has their own opinions and are entitled to them, and are allowed(thanks Grant!) to express them. I think BG has a DERN good chance of sweeping the MAC, but then so does Miami. (Oh, and the seats on the away side of Yager were antiques, circa 1916 and Old Miami Field. The fact that they were STILL standing is amazing! And I didn't mind sitting in them... but I liked the West Grandstand better... :wink: )
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Boy, this thread sure got shrill.

A couple thoughts.

I respect Miami fans, but they seem pretty whiny right now in a MAC-sucks-no-one-ever-travels-to-Huntington-thank-God-we're-leaving-for-Conference USA kind of way. :coo-coo:

It's common sense that the visiting team should not be located immediately in front of thousands of likkered up college students. How many years have we argued about battery chuckin', liquor bottle tossing Marshall fans? This should be a matter of common sense.

And I'll grant that maybe -- just maybe -- Miami students don't chuck batteries and liquor bottles Marshall-style.

It may be that RedHawk fans prefer bottles of Zinfandel and wedges of Muenster -- tossed gracefully, for that is the Miami way.

I've been to Yager. You guys have a splendid peanut gallery for your liquored up thousands. It's nice.

But every other in the MAC has figured this out. Here's a chart of how it worked at Bowling Green for the last 17 years at least:

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And you know what? If you don't want to radically redo the seating chart at Yager Stadium, there is a very simple solution.

Have the teams switch sidelines.

How hard is that? :coo-coo:

I'll close by shifting gears radically. This:

Where is all of the money going? Simple: old people and lazy people on workers comp.

...is pretty darned offensive.

People who receive workers' compensation are, by definition, injured on the job and unable to work. We're talking about people who fell off a roof at at a construction site, office workers with carpal tunnel syndrome, etc.

Maybe these people meet your definition of lazy. They don't meet mine.

In any case, the workers' comp budget doesn't have much bearing on tuition rates. The system is funded solely by premiums from employers (and the investments the system makes with those premiums, the management of which you may have read about lately in a newspaper near you).
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I think the sidleines were flipped at the Doyt in 1992. I know I was on the west side for the Cincy game in 1991 and their bench was right in front of me. I remember sitting on the east side for the 1992 ECU game and being farily impressed by the number of people they brought with them and the quality of the stuff (cooling fans, exercise cycles) that they brought along.

ECU travelled better than Marshall.

Having been through the WC mill here in Ohio back in younger days (slip and fall at a Red Lobster shattered my left elbow...if you kids are nice I'll show you the surgical scars) I can attest to the fact that dealing with that agency isa job unto itself.
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Hate to say it... but BG's students once sat behind the Visitors bench oh so not long ago...hence Brandon bought season tickets for 10 CRAZY BG kids...

I will disagree about the placement of students, I think the real problem had been... and has always been how close the benches were to the sideline... I remember yanking on UC Bearcats tail and pulling it through the fence during a very sober UC/MIami game in 1997, as well as a great taughting of Marshall's Randy Moss as he sat in a folding chair that same year when Miami kicked the ever living crap out of the bastards.

I love my hometown, I grew up going to games every week with Danyon, and some other boys, I respect the BG program and the school.

We just have different ways of looking at things and that is fine.

The fans that through batteries were the Marshall locals from hunington and not the students... I digress, I apologize for any disrespectful behavior of our students or our alums, I welcome anyone to my tailgate with Champagne, Deepfried Truffles, and 18 yearold girls from scotland... I mean 18 year old aged scotch...

I hope we are both undefeated in November, I hope that we are both knocking on the top 10, and I hope that for the betterment of all, that we wipe the floor with the MAC, and our opponents.

Good luck!
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redskins4ever wrote:Hate to say it... but BG's students once sat behind the Visitors bench oh so not long ago...hence Brandon bought season tickets for 10 CRAZY BG kids...
He was responding to Miami, I think.

It was just one row of students, too. The bulk of them have always been where the seating chart has them.
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Schadenfreude wrote:It may be that RedHawk fans prefer bottles of Zinfandel and wedges of Muenster -- tossed gracefully, for that is the Miami way.
Even if they DON'T throw anything, these players are just college students and its not fair for them to have to put up with "Oh, puh-leeeze... brown and orange is SO 1993... and don't get me started on the black shoes with white pants!" :wink:
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Well, just for my take...

I do agree that part of the problem was the old stands were VERY close to the other team. So close in fact that at one point last year, some fans taunted a Kent State player and he attempted to jump the fence and come into the stands after the people.(pretty funny to watch) We were also close enough to REALLY get on Amstutz's bad side at the UT game. Especially when the band started yelling at him, "HEY COACH! ATKINS WORKS WONDERS!" and then started taunting one of the players (Wakeman?)who happenned to have a mullett at that time. We chanted "Mullett! MULLETT! MULLETT!" until he took his helmet off and showed it to us. He then got slammed with, "At least the band gets on the field!" :wink:

(Some other cheers involve the sideline phone, and the entire band/student section screaming at the top of their lungs "PHOOOOOOOOOONEEEEEE!" so the player/coach can barely hear.)

I'm sure that this year will be very different. But I expect to see students move to the West Grandstand to be behind the other team again. :wink:
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That's nice...even though league has guidelines that say otherwise, Miami will continue to exhibit poor sportsmanship.
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If the students buy tickets, how can Miami, or the MAC for that matter deny them seating? If memory serves the GA seating is behind the opposing teams bench. And from the looks of it, the Doyt is the same way. No assigned seats in the GA sections.

i guess instead of Toledo becoming the "New Marshall" Miami has. Which I don't understand... why do we NEED to have a Marshall-esque whipping post? :wink:
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