No scholarship for Nick Lawrence

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:25 pm

In Freakonomics, they talk about how dealers almost never actually take the stuff.

duckunder53 · Post by **duckunder53** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:47 pm

UK Peregrine wrote:
BelieveNBG wrote:Did you also catch the part about steroids being found? It will be interesting to see what kind of athlete he really is or did steroids have something to do with his on the field success???
I kind of recall that he tested negaitve for steriods and the other drugs back in June when this story broke. He was supposedly a dealer and not a user. If that is in fact the case, then in all likelihood he is legitmate in terms of athletic prowess.

I recall that as well.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:55 pm

makes sense, You would, smoke up, shoot up or snort up all of your profits.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:26 pm

UK Peregrine wrote:
BelieveNBG wrote:Did you also catch the part about steroids being found? It will be interesting to see what kind of athlete he really is or did steroids have something to do with his on the field success???
I kind of recall that he tested negaitve for steriods and the other drugs back in June when this story broke.

I'm glad we apparently know this to be true.

When the news first came out, I was far more bothered by the fact that he even possessed steroids than I was about the fact that he was (apparently) dealing illegal stuff.

If he apparently never used 'oids -- that's great. Makes a big difference for me.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:55 pm

I'm skeptical...as a long time gym rat you don't see too many roid dealers that aren't using.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:07 pm

It doesn't mean much to me. Beating the roids test is not that difficult because it easy to remove from your system and it does not stay there long. A star athlete with steroids in his possession looks pretty bad to me.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:35 pm

It depends...oral steroids can blow out of your system pretty quickly. Injectables can take months to fully break down and leave. There's always masking agents and "clean urine" scams to consider.

I'm in no way saying Nick Lawrence did any of those things. I'm merely pointing out the anecdotal observation that steroid dealers are usually users themselves.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:11 pm

I am pretty much in agreement with you. Sorry, I wasn't responding directly to your post but posts before it.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:46 pm

No...excuse me...I wasn't trying to argue with you, I was just trying to extend your point a bit.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:19 am

No no pardon me

duckunder53 · Post by **duckunder53** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:06 pm

According to the man that runs a Michigan based High School message board, he had this to say about Nick Lawrence.

He is still going to BGSU. Going to greyshirt this season and hopefully earn the scholarship back.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:40 pm

duckunder53 wrote:According to the man that runs a Michigan based High School message board, he had this to say about Nick Lawrence.

He is still going to BGSU. Going to greyshirt this season and hopefully earn the scholarship back.

Sounds like our suspicions will be coming to fruition. Also, correct if I'm wrong here, but don't grayshirts actually delay enrollment in college that way they do not burn eligibilty? If so, then Nick would likely delay his enrollment at BG until the spring, or take a part-time class load in the fall. Plus, Nick would still be eligible for a redshirt the following year, if he does indeed earn his scholarship back.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:17 am

UK Peregrine wrote:
duckunder53 wrote:According to the man that runs a Michigan based High School message board, he had this to say about Nick Lawrence.

He is still going to BGSU. Going to greyshirt this season and hopefully earn the scholarship back.
Sounds like our suspicions will be coming to fruition. Also, correct if I'm wrong here, but don't grayshirts actually delay enrollment in college that way they do not burn eligibilty? If so, then Nick would likely delay his enrollment at BG until the spring, or take a part-time class load in the fall. Plus, Nick would still be eligible for a redshirt the following year, if he does indeed earn his scholarship back.

Grayshirts enroll in classes, pay their own way, but are not actually a part of the team. I don't think it effects their eligibility because they're not practicing or playing with the team...I could be wrong though.

factman · Post by **factman** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:56 am

It still effects the five years to play four, as "your" clock starts when you start classes, and have five years to complete your elgibility, whether you are playing or not. At least those were the rules a year or two ago.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:57 am

factman wrote:It still effects the five years to play four, as "your" clock starts when you start classes, and have five years to complete your elgibility, whether you are playing or not. At least those were the rules a year or two ago.

But wouldn't the clock only start ticking if a grant-in-aid is actually being used?

Seems to me a kid could go to BGSU on the 10-year plan, pay his way for the first three years and never even see the football field, but still have four years of eligiblility.

Am I wrong?