mk455 wrote:you cant compare those teams to osu. and what i was trying to say... is that the recognition you would get from beating a big 10 team on their own turf would be much greater. wouldn't you rather play in front of 100,000 fans and millions on espn? or play in front of 30,000 fans and be on like channel 6?
Well those 30K in attendance would be in Toledo and believe it or not the atmosphere at some MAC stadiums is better than the atmosphere at many Big Ten schools. Yes, the OSU atmosphere is nice when playing a school like Michigan or Texas, and while I haven't been to OSU I have heard that their games against non-bcs schools tend to be a little boring in terms of atmosphere.
Why do you say you can't compare those other teams to OSU? Are you one of those OSU junkies? Toledo has got a ton of recognition in winning at Penn State and at home against Pittsburgh. Home games against schools like Pittsburgh and so on tend to build a fanbase and increase attendance more than playing one and done games against teams like OSU and then having to counter at home with teams like Liberty because we need to fill a home game.
ooookay, now you're crazy. if you even begin to THINK that the atmosphere in your stadium would be better than the atmosphere in a 100,000+ stadium where your team is playing one of the top teams in the nation, with a chance to beat them in their own house, then you're out of your mind. dont get me wrong, i love the energy that comes from the doyt when bg is playing, but even though we were away when we played osu, ive never had so much adrenaline (sp?) pumping.
responding to your 'osu junkie' comment... haha, no way. i dont even like them that much. infact, i would actually cheer for toledo if you guys played em... and thats a tough thing for me to say. i would cheer for any mid-major school when playing a big-10 team or any top 25 team at all.
i understand where you're coming from with filling the stadium and all that, but i just think it'd be better for a school's program in terms of recognition to go play at the shoe or the big house where 100,000+ fans get to watch your team live. just my option though...
mk455 wrote:i was just using osu as an example because of the topic of this post... like i said, i dont even like them that much.
Fair enough.
I restate my post thusly:
If it came down to playing [insert colossal athletic department budget school name] in [town/city/burg where colossal athletic department budget school is located] or getting a two-for-one with a [insert names of schools with only huge athletic department budget], I would be all over the two-for.
I would even prefer the [any one-for-one setup which has our home game at a neutral cite void of college football outside of a colossal athletic department budget school] set-up we have.
The world doesn't not and should not revolve around [insert colossal athletic department school name].
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haha, its so much clearer now. i do agree that the 2-for-1 or even 1-for-1 deals would be great for a school like bg or ut... dont get me wrong. i was just saying that recognition for your team playing in front of 100,000+ at their house > playing in front 30,000 at home.
mk455 wrote:haha, its so much clearer now. i do agree that the 2-for-1 or even 1-for-1 deals would be great for a school like bg or ut... dont get me wrong. i was just saying that recognition for your team playing in front of 100,000+ at their house > playing in front 30,000 at home.
A majority of those 100,000 people won't remember the game and will be the first one's to make excuses if their team did lose.
Besides, we all like home cooking. I prefer the 30K and at home. The game's exposure would be similar if not the same.
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I'm sure the 49-0 butt kicking that they encountered the last time they played in Columbus has nothing to do with their decision to not want to play them in 2008.
mk455 wrote:yep... good ole classy toledo. just lookin for some money. how about you guys suck it up and go out there and play for the love of the game? and not to mention the recognition you could get from playing osu. i duno about everyone else, but when i went to the bg game at the shoe, it was one of the best experiences i've had as a bg football fan. go shoot yourself in the ass with your rockets
I completely disagree with your comments regarding Toledo missing an opportunity here. I think OSU is trying to use their power and influence to bully Toledo into playing them. Like "who wouldn't want to come to Columbus and place us" or "you should be paying us for the priviledge to come here and play". Well they can stick it. If we had our schedule plans laid out and then OSU came in and wanted us to drop a game to come play them, I would hope we would have the fortitude to stop and think first (as Toledo is doing) instead of bowing down to OSU and all their requests.
I totally agree.
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BGSU96 wrote:I'm sure the 49-0 butt kicking that they encountered the last time they played in Columbus has nothing to do with their decision to not want to play them in 2008.
You're joking, right? That game was back in '98 under Pinkel. Ancient history.
My opinion is that Amstutz just wants to continue Toledo's scheduling trends over the last couple of years where Minnesota, Pitt, and UNLV came to the Glass bowl. Hell, Krebs is even on record as saying he is only interested in series where the opponent would be willing to make a trip to the Doyt or on rare occassions to Cleveland.
mk455 wrote:i was just using osu as an example because of the topic of this post... like i said, i dont even like them that much.
Fair enough.
I restate my post thusly:
If it came down to playing [insert colossal athletic department budget school name] in [town/city/burg where colossal athletic department budget school is located] or getting a two-for-one with a [insert names of schools with only huge athletic department budget], I would be all over the two-for.
I would even prefer the [any one-for-one setup which has our home game at a neutral cite void of college football outside of a colossal athletic department budget school] set-up we have.
The world doesn't not and should not revolve around [insert colossal athletic department school name].
Did that Toledo fan say how much Ohio State was offering as a guarantee?
I thought $450,000 or so was fairly standard for Ohio State. Seems to me that's a lot more dough than a two-for-one with Purdue would generate, especially when the opportunity cost of playing three games (versus one) is considered.
Could it be that Ohio State is offering less of a guarantee to programs it doesn't particularly want to play?
Another thought, more for the Bowling Green fans: Are we locked down with a 2010 Ohio State game or not? We've talked about it a lot here. Does it appear on OSU's future schedule?
A final thought: I agree that home games need to be taken seriously. Our Wisconsin series is preferable to anything Ohio State is offering. If we would have had to break a deal with Ohio State to get the Wisconsin deal, then we absolutely should have done it. (Some of you will recall we scrapped a deal with Michigan to get the Wisconsin deal, and it was absolutely the right call).
That said, I like playing Ohio State. Eventually, we will win, and we should keep taking cracks at it. If we are going to play a road game with no hope of a return game, than Ohio State should be at the absolute top of our list of teams we want to schedule.
Now, THAT SAID: That doesn't mean Ohio State should be gouging by offering a lousy guarantee. There isn't a program in the country that ought to be able to offer a significantly bigger guarantee than Ohio State... and if other programs *are* offering significantly bigger guarantees, than screw Ohio State. Let's play at Oklahoma or whatever and grab the extra cash.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the price of guarantees is going down because of the rule making it easier for I-A programs to schedule I-AAs...
mk455 wrote:ooookay, now you're crazy. if you even begin to THINK that the atmosphere in your stadium would be better than the atmosphere in a 100,000+ stadium where your team is playing one of the top teams in the nation, with a chance to beat them in their own house, then you're out of your mind. dont get me wrong, i love the energy that comes from the doyt when bg is playing, but even though we were away when we played osu, ive never had so much adrenaline (sp?) pumping.
No he is not crazy at all. The size of your stadium has almost nothing to do with how great the atmosphere is. I have seen games at OSU, Michigan, Penn St, Notre Dame, Tenn. You know where the best atmosphere for a game I have ever seen is? At NIU in 2002 when BG played them. I know it is not like that all the time but it beat my experineces of Michigan vs Washington (when the huskies were a top 10 team), Notre Dame vs, USC, Notre Dame Vs Boston College, Penn St. vs Iowa. That Michigan/Washington game was probably the second best game I have ever seen with Michigan winning 29-27 on a last second FG, still the atmosphere was not that great. Size does not always imply intensity.
