Leinart factor in Jacobs returning?

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:22 am

But what about the number of great QB prospects will be coming out the year afterward. I would bet that Meyer has Chris Leak in round one by then, Marcus Vick might be up there. Potentially Vince Young and Reggie McNeal although I doubt it. Jared Zabransky is a Junior I think.

This is such a week QB year that he might almost have to come out.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:27 am

kiper has been a pretty good predictor of where a guy will be drafted. If Kiper has him number 1, I would think he would be drafted ahead of all those guys. Half of them will come out after this year anyway. Vick is the wildcard -- he looked pretty good the other day. That's the one guy I could see going ahead of Omar in the 2006 draft if he comes out. Zabransky is a late round guy. VY is not top 15 QB material. He will probably go the matt jones route. Leak if I'm remembering correctly is pretty small and small QB's without vick skills rarely go top 10. I don't think reggie mcneal is anything special.

I wouldn't call any of the guys you mentioned save possibly vick great QB prospects.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:29 am

Germainfitch1 wrote:But what about the number of great QB prospects will be coming out the year afterward. I would bet that Meyer has Chris Leak in round one by then, Marcus Vick might be up there. Potentially Vince Young and Reggie McNeal although I doubt it. Jared Zabransky is a Junior I think.

This is such a week QB year that he might almost have to come out.

This is a weak QB year, after Leinart there is very little.

Still it is shaping up to be a VERY talent rich draft. You've got great OL talent like D'Brickashaw Ferguson & Eric Winston. DeAngelo Williams & Reggie Bush (if he comes out) are locks for the top 10, likely top 5. Brooks & Hawk will be high draft picks at LB. Kiwi, Ngata, and Mario Williams are likely top 10 picks on the DL. I expect Jimmy Williams to sneak into the top 10 as well, NFL guys love CBs with size & speed.

This is an incredibly talented & deep draft at OL & LB.

You also have to look at who has investments in QBs already. This is what caused Aaron Rodgers to fall. Many teams already have a first rounder on their team that is making so much money they cannot afford another top 10 pick at QB. Of course if teams like the Lions & Bears are ready to cast away their former first rounders and give up on them, that could open up a couple new spots.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:34 am

Who is in need of a young signal caller?

The Dolphins, Cowboys and Cardinals? Anyone else?

I agree with most of what you posted on the draft. I dont think DeAngelo will go that high, and you didnt mention Blackmon and the DE from BC, both should be in the top ten or near.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:46 am

Trent Green is 35 so the chiefs may look that direction. I think this is Boller's last year to try and impress in Baltimore. With all the weapons he has now, he will not survive another mediocre year. I don't think the Broncos are sold on Plummer for the next few years. I would think they would take a top QB if it's at the right pick. I think the Bears would also take a QB -- and they might have the number 1 pick this year. If that situation doesn't scream Leinart, I don't know what does.

Most of the other teams with aging starters or questionable QBs already have a young guy with potential on the roster. You never know who will take a QB though. The steelers had a good starter in maddox, but when roet.. fell to 11, They had to take him.

If Omar comes out this year, I see him going either #2 behind leinart to a team in desperate need of a QB (the 3 fitch mentioned), or falling to a roethlisberger area....10-15 to a team that can draft for depth + the future.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:52 am

Germainfitch1 wrote:was that meant to be sarcastic because if so its just stupid, you seem like a bully.

Gfitch: No sarcasm intended, just an honest opinion. I think we fans sometimes overthink things like this.

As for being a bully - I'm too old for that sort of thing. Life is way too short.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:52 am

I really dont think the Bears would draft a QB that high again. Atleast I hope not. They have been threw so many lately. IMO Kyle Orton will shine this year as the starter (atleast by years end)....

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:42 am

I don't see the Bears going QB either. They used a first day pick on Orton, and think he can be something. They've also still got Grossman (if ever healthy), who was a first rounder not that long ago. If they drafted a QB in the 1st this year it effectively means they're giving up on both of those guys already.

Similar to the Browns. They think they've got something in Charlie Frye. I cannot see them using a first rounder on a QB a year after using a 3rd rounder on a guy that they feel can be their starter of the future.

As long as Parcells is in Dallas I don't see them going QB.

Germaine, we'll have to disagree on DeAngelo, but I think he goes high & is the better pro back than Bush...he's a prototype with great vision. I was really impressed with all the info I saw of him going into last year's GMAC bowl, and his performance there did nothing to change my mind. If not hurt last year I think he goes top 10, and ahead of Benson. Also, I did mention the DE from BC...his name is Mathias Kiwanuka, in draft talk we affectionately refer to him as Kiwi, because its quicker and easer

Yes, I could see teams like the Chiefs, with an aging Trent Green, or the Cardinals, with Kurt Warner, taking a QB in the first round next year. The problem is that those teams, if things go as planned, will not be picking in the top 10 next year. I could also see Tennessee taking a QB, but they looked good with Volek last season; I do expect them to be somewhere in the top 10 this season. I do think that Baltimore should give up on Boller, but as a Browns fan I hope they don't!

Either way all these teams, except Tennessee, will be picking outside of the top 10. This underscores my point, really. If you're going to leave early for the draft, especially as a QB, you should make sure that you're going to be a top 10 pick. The money is DRASTICALLY different as the first round moves on. If all the teams that finish with the high picks have already invested in a young QB, then I don't think Omar would likely be picked until the 10-20 range, at best. To me its not worth it to leave early for that money. I think Mike Williams ended up with a signing bonus of about $8-9. Braylon Edwards got a signing bonus of about $18-19. That's a 50% drop off for 7 draft slots. It keeps going like that as you go throughout the first round. Sure, its all a lot of money, but when you have the potential to be a top 5 pick with another year of college, it seems wise to me to go back rather than settle for the money that a 10-20 player gets. Of course you also factor in the quality of the teams, etc, etc. So much to look at, really.

Depending on how this NFL season shakes out, I can definitely see a scenario where it makes sense for Omar to stick around. Of course I can also see a scenario where it makes sense for him to leave. Early prognostications have him in the range of 5-10, which I would tell him to go to the NFL for. However, those predictions are based on predicting the NFL season, which is never really possible.

In the end, I guess we just wait and see

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:16 am

The Dolphins will be picking early in the first round, desperately need a QB, and Miami is just an hour down the road from where Omar grew up. Need I say more.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:30 am

Warthog wrote:The Dolphins will be picking early in the first round, desperately need a QB, and Miami is just an hour down the road from where Omar grew up. Need I say more.

Nope...They'll be taking Leinart

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:46 am

If Joey bombs out, I think Detroit might pull the trigger on a QB. The franchise tends to eschew picking QB's very high in favor of developing lower round guys (IIRC, Harrington, Andre Ware, Chuck Long and Greg Landry are the only 1st round QB's in Motown since 1960) and they did take Dan Orlovsky in the 5th round last year. They seem to like him a lot thus far. Then again, he's getting compared to Jeff Garcia and Joey.

Personally, I'd like to see them go heavy on the Oline this year because that is far and away the biggest weakness.

So far as Omar goes, I like him more than any other QB, including Leinart, but I'm biased as hell.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:02 pm

In the next two years I can see Bret Farve steping back, and or GB at least picking a 1st RD QB to groom to step up when he does step back...GB plans ahead well, and can see taht as another option....
Man poor Omar...it just keep getting colder and colder...lol

I think part of the picture has to be what teams are going to be shoping QB and who might be the following year...it realy will give him nice options.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:08 pm

MACMAN wrote:In the next two years I can see Bret Farve steping back, and or GB at least picking a 1st RD QB to groom to step up when he does step back...GB plans ahead well, and can see taht as another option....
Man poor Omar...it just keep getting colder and colder...lol

I think part of the picture has to be what teams are going to be shoping QB and who might be the following year...it realy will give him nice options.

Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers last year as the heir apparent.

BGSU2005 · Post by **BGSU2005** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:27 pm

If he matches his number (or around there) and he is projected in the first round or so, he will leave.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:12 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
MACMAN wrote:In the next two years I can see Bret Farve steping back, and or GB at least picking a 1st RD QB to groom to step up when he does step back...GB plans ahead well, and can see taht as another option....
Man poor Omar...it just keep getting colder and colder...lol

I think part of the picture has to be what teams are going to be shoping QB and who might be the following year...it realy will give him nice options.
Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers last year as the heir apparent.

But he pretty much sucked in the preseason from what I heard. Wouldn't bet against them taking another one next year.