Anyone know what the MAC Tie-Breakers are?

RedHawk65 · Post by **RedHawk65** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:23 pm

PGY- good post. I think you summed it all up there. Where'd you hear about the "3rd tiebreaker vs. the west?" Not saying it's wrong; just wondering where you found this out.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:48 pm

RedHawk65 wrote:PGY- good post. I think you summed it all up there. Where'd you hear about the "3rd tiebreaker vs. the west?" Not saying it's wrong; just wondering where you found this out.

Schade posted the link that contained the pertinent info that PGY used. It came from your team's website.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/sch ... elease.pdf

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:41 am

Yeah, Um, not to confuse any one but I'm not that smart. I am however pretty good at cut-n-paste. I just took out the PDF from the link that Schade provided and posted the half page of the 38 provided that only BG people would want to read.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:50 am

PGY Tiercel wrote:For those that don't want to look through the PDF to find the important info.

MAC EAST SCENARIOS—Following is an abbreviated version of the scenarios in which any one of Miami, Akron, Bowling Green or Ohio could earn the MAC East’s berth in the league title game.

Miami - Can clinch Tuesday night with a win over BGSU and an Akron defeat of Ohio (would own the head-to-head over both BGSU and Akron in the event of a loss at Ohio)

- Can clinch the outright title by defeating both BGSU and Ohio, regardless of the Akron-Ohio outcome.

- In the event of a loss to BGSU and a win over Ohio, Miami would need BGSU to lose at Toledo and Akron to win out, forging a three-way tie atop the division. The tie would come down to the third tie breaker, which goes to the team whose three cross-division opponents owned the highest winning percentage —Central Michigan, Northern Illinois and Eastern Michigan were Miami’s MAC West opponents.

BGSU - Can clinch Tuesday night with a win over Miami and an Ohio defeat of Akron (would own the head-to-head over both Miami and Ohio in the event of a loss at Toledo)

- Can clinch the outright title by defeating both Miami and Toledo, regardless of the Akron-Ohio outcome.

- If a win over Miami and loss to Toledo results in a three-way tie with Miami and Akron, the tie would come down to the third tiebreaker, which goes to the team whose three cross-division opponents owned the highest winning
percentage —Ball State, Western Michigan and Toledo are BGSU’s MAC West foes.

- In the event of a loss to Miami and a win over Toledo, BGSU would be eliminated from the race. The Falcons could forge a three-way tie atop the division but with a head-to-head loss over Miami could not win any of the tiebreakers regardless of whether Akron or Ohio is the third team.

Akron - Can win the division by winning out over Ohio and Kent State, if Miami loses to BGSU and Ohio and Bowling Green loses to Toledo. The Zips hold the head-to-head tiebraker over the Falcons.

- If Miami defeats Bowling Green but loses to Ohio, Akron could forge a three-way tie for the East by winning out and getting a BGSU win over Toledo.The tie would come down to the third tie breaker, which goes to the team whose three cross-division opponents owned the highest winning percentage
—Northern Illinois, Central Michigan and Ball State were Akron’s MAC West foes.

Ohio - Can win the division by defeating both Akron and Miami and getting a Miami win over Bowling Green. A win over Miami would give the Bobcats the head-to-head over the RedHawks in the result of a two-way tie or three-way tie that included Bowling Green

—BGSU would be eliminated by virtue of its loss to Akron in the tiebreaker and it would again come down to the head-to-head versus Miami

Okay, anyone want to parse this out for me?

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:05 am

I think we just need to root for Toledo because of the whole cross-division winning percentage angle. NIU is one of Akron's opponents so that would be like a two game swing in the tiebreaker.

We also need to root for miami to beat ohio and create the three way tie.

Of course it's all moot if we just take care of business and beat toledo which I think we'll do.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:51 am

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:I think we just need to root for Toledo because of the whole cross-division winning percentage angle. NIU is one of Akron's opponents so that would be like a two game swing in the tiebreaker.

We also need to root for miami to beat ohio and create the three way tie.

Of course it's all moot if we just take care of business and beat toledo which I think we'll do.

NIU was also a Miami opponent as well. Not sure if Miami can win the East anymore, but for tie-breaker purposes, it would be better if Toledo won.

Does anybody know if the crossover opponent record is just for MAC games or is it their overall record?

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:18 am

I believe it is MAC record. If it is, we are in very good shape. Here are the three teams' West opp. records.

BG opponents = 14-6

Miami opponents = 10-10

Akron opponents = 12-8

I think we're in very good shape regardless of the Toledo or Akron games if Miami can beat Ohio.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:41 am

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:I believe it is MAC record. If it is, we are in very good shape. Here are the three teams' West opp. records.

BG opponents = 14-6

Miami opponents = 10-10

Akron opponents = 12-8

I think we're in very good shape regardless of the Toledo or Akron games if Miami can beat Ohio.

You are correct there, but...

NIU @UT, EMU @ Buffalo, Central @ Ball St, and WMU @ NIU are remaining games involving crossover opponents that could have an impact.

Assuming Akron beats Kent, Miami beats Ohio and we lose to Toledo, then we are all tied at 5-3. IF NIU beats UT, Eastern beats Buffalo, Central beats Ball St, AND NIU beats Western, then BG's crossover opponents would be 15-9 in MAC play, Akron's would also be 15-9 and Miami's would be 14-10. The key is that Miami and Akron both played NIU and Central in crossover games and we played Western and Ball State. If one of our opponents can win any of those matchups, then we have the three way tie-breaker.

Now if it would play out like I said above, both BG and Akron's opponents at 15-9, does anyone have a guess at the fourth tie-breaker???

Of cousre this is all moot/mute

if we beat UT

or Miami loses to Ohio

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:50 pm

I guess we'll know more after tonight, much more after Saturday, and then almost everything after Monday's game between Miami/OU.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 pm

JohnnySwoop '85 wrote:And in case Akron needs to lose to Kent well then I guess you'll find me at 10:00 Thanksgiving morning rooting on those glorious Golden Flashes!

the Freaks will be there anyway cuz it's MAC football!
We could have a BG cheering section! LOL!

JohnnySwoop '85 · Post by **JohnnySwoop '85** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:10 pm

Freak,
Judging from Rubber Bowl attendance last night...you might be the ONLY fans there.

Notice I didn't say the only BG fans. I bet there will be less than 2000 people