Logo

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:00 am

It must really be slow around here if we're bringing up the old logo vs new logo debate.

I think I might like to have a slightly revamped retro logo for the helmets but not the totall redesigned one. Like say the retro falcon head but with bigger font or bolder outlines.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:16 pm

Falconfreak90 wrote:
The new update to the traditional logo looks awesome. I love that one and the added outline gives it much more depth.

I don't like it.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:54 pm

I love the old logo.

I love the updated old logo.

I love the retail logo.

I would be very interested in seeing a detailed retail sales analysis of BG apparel now and every year prior back to 5 years before the new retail logo was implemented. I suspect those numbers might warm some detractors up to the retail logo a bit.

As far as how the rest of the world sees us.... I used to wear my traditional "logoed" orange hat whenever I went back home for weekends to parties, family gatherings, etc. I had exactly one person (that didn't know I went to BG) in roughly 4 years of that go "Hey -- Bowling Green right?" I've been wearing my new retail logo hat for about 2 years now, and probably 10 people have recognized it in that time span.

That doesn't tell us a whole lot, but I think it says that our old logo, while awesome and full of history and spirit, did not stick in very many peoples' minds. There was no "brand recognition" to speak of. I think the new retail logo is much more vivid, striking, and capable of making a lasting impression. I'm extremely glad we did what we did.

Falcon Fanatic · Post by **Falcon Fanatic** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:25 am

Dayons_Den wrote:As a design geek I can definitely say I am very happy with the "update" the traditional logo got:

I love the old logo, the traditional logo, but it was inconsistant, and didn't have depth and the football helmet was the only place the white center appeared. I think the above logo is a great "update" to our great logo.

I have warmed up to the retail space ghost logo, but I am certainly glad they diddn't ditch our beloved L-T falcon head.

I'll repeat my feelings that I have posted. in the past, on this issue. The "new" LT design (shown above) and the retail bird head logo are made with the same outside shape. And there is a method to this madness, so to speak. That shape is to allow people to slowly transition from the old LT logo to the new bird one, and I have NO DOUBT that in a few years the "retail" logo will become the ONLY logo we see everywhere. So enjoy the old one while you can....it's days are numbered....

Falcons4Life · Post by **Falcons4Life** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:25 am

My alumni support will significantly decrease with the onslaught of the ugly cracked out 'retail logo.' *a little sarcasm*

That will be a better reason to support the academic side!!!

Falcons4Life · Post by **Falcons4Life** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:26 am

My alumni support will significantly decrease with the onslaught of the ugly cracked out 'retail logo.' *a little sarcasm*

That will be a better reason to support the academic side!!!

redhawk95 · Post by **redhawk95** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:56 am

in case you're remotely interested in a similar topic, miami sold out to nike. check it out in all it's glory. ugh...

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:33 am

Falcon Fanatic wrote:... I have NO DOUBT that in a few years the "retail" logo will become the ONLY logo we see everywhere. So enjoy the old one while you can....it's days are numbered....

All the more reason to gather as much swag as you can that's emblazoned with the traditional logo!

Falcon52 · Post by **Falcon52** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:27 am

Miami Redskins! Selling out to Nike wasn't the first time that chicken shite school sold out. They also sold out to their tree hugging, hippy, student body when they changed their name. If the hippies and protestors are successful, 100 years from now, no one will know what a Redskin, or Indian was. They will be but a small mention in textbooks of American history.

What were they like? Where are they now Grandpa?

I don't know, last I heard they owned a bunch of casinos.

It seems to me they should embrace. I'm not in their shoes, so I guess I can't relate.

Cartoon Falcon carrying the football is my favorite.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:24 am

Falcon52 wrote:Miami Redskins! Selling out to Nike wasn't the first time that chicken shite school sold out. They also sold out to their tree hugging, hippy, student body when they changed their name. If the hippies and protestors are successful, 100 years from now, no one will know what a Redskin, or Indian was. They will be but a small mention in textbooks of American history.

"Redskins" was an abysmal nickname -- and I think the Miami nation would be shocked to learn some people don't think anyone will know who they are a century from now:

http://www.miamination.com/

I suspect the Miami nation would also be surprised to see themselves compared to tree huggers and hippies -- for it was they who asked that the nickname be changed.

Falcon52 · Post by **Falcon52** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:19 pm

Well, since they have a website, they will always be remembered.

Most Miami students I have ever met, are embarassed about the name change.

Since I don't want to really talk to any more than I have to, maybe my perception is wrong.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:14 am

Falcon52 wrote:Well, since they have a website, they will always be remembered.

The Web site isn't the point.

The point is that this is a living Indian nation -- one of dozens upon dozens in America.

To argue that Miami ought to have kept "Redskins," lest we forget about the Miami, strikes me as a little like arguing Chrysler should never drop the name "Dakota" from it's trucks, lest people forget about the state.

Besides all that, if the name was in honor of the Miami nation, then why did they ask for it to be retired?

Most Miami students I have ever met, are embarassed about the name change.

I understand it was a frustrating situation. Tradition is nice. And I try to be practical about this issue.

I think "Chippewas" is a wonderful nickname, as long as the Saginaw Chippewa remain supportive of it. I liked "Hurons," too, and the fact that the university junked that nickname without (from what I understand) even really checking with the Wyandot peoples is disappointing to me. So was EMU's choice of the bland "Eagles" to replace "Hurons."

All that said, "Redskins" is a whole lot more troubling.

Would African-Americans consider it an honor if Ole Miss or Auburn or any other historically white university was playing as the "Blackskins" or the "Negroes" or any other of a dozen nicknames we can all easily imagine?

Those names sound absurd -- and I think "Redskins" would sound absurd, too, if we were just coming up with it here in the 21st century.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:53 am

The nivkname debate is interesting. The words themselves aren't the issue...they're just words. It's the "meaning" attached to them in the past by idiots that tend to rile people up. If there'd never been slavery and segregation and a denial of civil rights to black people in this country would anyone care if a school called their teams the "Darkies". If the concept of manifest destiny had been laughed at instead of embraced the US government might not have slaughtered thousands of native americans and stolen their land. Would we then care if the Miami Redskins existed?

Of course, these things happened. Obviously, the folks at Miami who wanted to keep their traditional names don't mean any harm to the Miami nation, but I guess if some of their members are upset by the use of a derogatory term...even if the people using it don't want to demean them...their wishes should be respected. Perhaps a compromise could have been reached? Was the term "Miamis" ever floated? The "Miami's" of Miami University sounds redundant, but I like it better than Redhawks.

I do think it's unfortunate that the Huron name went by the wayside. The name has a lot of historical context in the Yipsilanti area. It was a nice fit for EMU and I don't recall them ever treating the name or the image with any disrespect. (compare and contrast the use of the Blackhawk by the CHicago NHL team and the use of good chief Wahoo, aka Michael Dukakis, by the Cleveland Indians).

Falcon52 · Post by **Falcon52** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:34 am

Will they change the name of the Lake too? My point may be lame, like I said, I have not walked a day in their mocasins so I can not pretend to relate or understand.

You say the term is derogatory. Is it? Could time have changed the meaning and feeling about this word. I wonder if you polled the 25 and younger people around the country and asked them what Redskins meant to them, what the responses would be? Completely different from the other examples you posed.

My guess is that they would be overwhelmingly positive. Strong willed, American Indian, Survivor, looked up to, respected, pride.

If you have kids, ask them.

I respect their request, I just see a grand opportunity for them to turn it around and make a positive out of it. By the way, there are several tribes around this country that are now doing that. I commend them and wish them great success.

Oh well back to football. Maybe they should have changed it to the Pigskins instead. Ha!

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42 am

That's an excellent point about language, it evolves. I question whether the term "redskin" has evolved far enough away from the original context. The folks in the Miami nation that raised the issue in the first place didn't think so.

I think you can also take things too far though. Marquette can no longer be the "warriors" because it conjured images of the stereotypical "savage Indian". I think that's a stretch. It REALLY pissed me off when Donna on "That 70's Show" went to Marquette on a visit and the signage referred tot he Golden Eagles. They weren't the f**king Golden Eagles in the 70's, they were the Warriors. Bo Ellis played fror them, Butch Lee played for them and Al Mcquire always had them wearing cool uni's.

Don't f**k with history!!

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