This irritates the crap outta me...

SW-MI Falcon · Post by **SW-MI Falcon** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:59 pm

bgsufn wrote:Can we just agree that this was a dumb idea and move on? I don't think there is some big conspiracy by the alumni association to hurt attendance. They made a mistake and knowing Lori and Kam, they regret it. To my knowledge they haven't done watch parties in Toledo for home games before and probably won't ever do it again. When I talked to Kam on Saturday night I think she realized that a mistake was made.

They are trying their best with limited budgets to encourage Falcon Alumni support their school. I think they've done a good job so far and will give them a pass on this one because of all the positive things they've done in the past.

I will be there for the Miami game and I will be encouraging others to do so.

Nicely done. I agree

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm

bgsufn wrote:Can we just agree that this was a dumb idea and move on? I don't think there is some big conspiracy by the alumni association to hurt attendance. They made a mistake and knowing Lori and Kam, they regret it. To my knowledge they haven't done watch parties in Toledo for home games before and probably won't ever do it again. When I talked to Kam on Saturday night I think she realized that a mistake was made.

I think this has moved on pretty nicely from the original "outrage" to discussing the role of alumni chapters. We realize it's a mistake and no one is out to lynch the alumni office, we just wish that this error leads to better communication/planning in the future. Also, if it causes alumni away from BG to think about ways to get involved, all the better!

robdupont · Post by **robdupont** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:02 am

If you read Kam's repley you hear one thing BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. The Alumni Association rent the tent just like any body else does and then Kam and others have to be there after a full days work on the Miami Game. I do not beleive the two department talk to each other very much. The Alumni Association is not concern with putting alumni in those seats. If the Alumni Association want to help they would CANCEL the Miami Watch Parties within two hundred miles of BGSU and promote Buses Packages to the game, but they won't . On Tuesday I talk to the Marking Deparment of the Atletic Department asked about promotion for the Miami Game and ask if they would post on this site. I was told they could E-mail them to me and I post them. I was told they can post because we are not a school site. So here is the problem, one department does not know what the other is doing, they fight each other unknowningly.

Ineedbotox · Post by **Ineedbotox** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:13 am

Bleeding Orange wrote: Which is exactly why you need to stage a coup and take over that chapter. I'm serious. I can't even begin to express my rage at our alumni after this past weekend. Did any of you venture out to the greek tents before the game, or look out at them during the game? I did, and I talked to a lot of them who said they weren't going to the game because they would rather drink with their damn chapter alumni. Now, I don't fault the students so much as I do the alumni themselves. If they want to come back and re-live their petty, pathetic college lives for a weekend, great! But at least set some sort of damned example for current greek members by supporting the damned football team of your alma mater by taking a three hour break from the boozing and buying a damned $15 ticket. These people are one of the big reasons that our greek population really doesn't give a damn about supporting our University - they get a pretty good example of doing just the opposite once a year.

This got me to do a lot of thinking over this past weekend, and this is only one of the many things that has me pretty upset. This bullsh*t from Kam (who is otherwise a wonderful woman) didn't help. This crap is inexcusable, and I have a feeling that no one has really been called on it...well...ever. It is time.

I wasn't there, but I will do my part to at least defend Greek alums. How do you know the people in the tents DIDN'T buy tickets? Buying a ticket DOES support BG athletics. It was Homecoming for gosh sakes. So isn't part of the experience meant for reuniting with old friends? Had I been there, I am sure I would have been just as interested (if not more so) in visiting with sorority sisters and friends I haven't seen in many years as I would be in supporting the football team. And again, these people probably bought tickets anyhow and just chose to hang in the tents. Just a thought...

Zom · Post by **Zom** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:05 am

Must have cornered the wrong Greeks. The Greeks I know would have moved their tent into the stands and given all a game to remember for sure. Would that I could say "Long live the Beta 500!".

Mr. Frieda · Post by **Mr. Frieda** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:17 am

1. many of us did have tickets, perhaps some chose not to go to the game and ticket went unused, but the money was spent.
2. those tents at the stadium...all cost money, about $125 bucks when i was there, and that isn't all going to the tent company, trust me.
3. people come back to BG for a variety of reasons. If someone doesn't spend their time and money on the athletics department, who are we to complain??? They are investing in the community and other aspects of the university by eating, drinking, buying merchandise, etc.

I'm not fired up by all this, just wanted to point out a couple of items because i feel that they are being lost in the mix.

I, for one, had a blast and it wasn't by being drunk the whole time, it was by being with my best friends and Brothers and enjoying the 30mph winds.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:32 am

If they bought tickets and didn't enter the game, they did not count for attendance figures. I wish they would've at least went in the stadium, then go back to the tent, if they want.

It's their time & money, I have no right to tell them how to spend it, even though I don't agree with their choice.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:39 pm

BGSUfn--I agree. She admitted it was a mistake. Get over it.

Falcon Fanatic · Post by **Falcon Fanatic** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:20 pm

Ineedbotox wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote: Did any of you venture out to the greek tents before the game, or look out at them during the game? I did, and I talked to a lot of them who said they weren't going to the game because they would rather drink with their damn chapter alumni. Now, I don't fault the students so much as I do the alumni themselves. If they want to come back and re-live their petty, pathetic college lives for a weekend, great! But at least set some sort of damned example for current greek members by supporting the damned football team of your alma mater by taking a three hour break from the boozing and buying a damned $15 ticket. These people are one of the big reasons that our greek population really doesn't give a damn about supporting our University - they get a pretty good example of doing just the opposite once a year.
I wasn't there, but I will do my part to at least defend Greek alums. How do you know the people in the tents DIDN'T buy tickets? Buying a ticket DOES support BG athletics. It was Homecoming for gosh sakes. So isn't part of the experience meant for reuniting with old friends? Had I been there, I am sure I would have been just as interested (if not more so) in visiting with sorority sisters and friends I haven't seen in many years as I would be in supporting the football team. And again, these people probably bought tickets anyhow and just chose to hang in the tents. Just a thought...

Regarding the greek population...I remember when they used to tape off their sections on the west side of the stadium before the games. They all sat together, wore the same shirts, cheered together and basically SHOWED UP at the games in large groups!! Something needs to be done on campus to promote this again. That is a HUGE population of kids that should be coming to all of the home games. If they attend and sit in their groups, then the alumni who return for homecoming will want to sit with them too!! Just my thoughts fwiw.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:22 pm

The Greek population of today is absoultely useless to the University and the community currently. Service hours are down, grades are down, and the man in charge of the Greek system referred to a few select groups as being a "cancer" in the past few years.

Ineedbotox · Post by **Ineedbotox** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:04 pm

BGDrew wrote:The Greek population of today is absoultely useless to the University and the community currently. Service hours are down, grades are down, and the man in charge of the Greek system referred to a few select groups as being a "cancer" in the past few years.

That is a truly ignorant statement. If you would read the American Journal of Economics, you would notice that Greek alumni donations far outweigh that of the regular student population.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_17599590

And I don't know what your community work and grades are like, but at least Greek students do philanthropic work and have academic standards. You should probably know what you're talking about before you make such ridiculous blanket statements.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:11 pm

How does that link mean anything to the BGSU Greek community?

JohnnySwoop '85 · Post by **JohnnySwoop '85** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:18 pm

If you are slandering the BGSU Greek system, aren't you in a way slandering the whole education system of the United States of America....or however that movie quote goes.

I know my old fraternity is busy during game time, their the ones working the parking lot. (Are you going far? OK.)

How about we do this, if you can get the mailing list of the Toledo alumni assoc...tell them that the first two people to IM me here get free tickets!

And they don't have to shop at Meijer, buy a pizza, or anything else that constitues a trade.
However if they do make peanut butter and chocalte cookies like the ones at the tailgate this past Saturday I am definately willing to reconsider.

Ineedbotox · Post by **Ineedbotox** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:27 pm

BGDrew wrote:How does that link mean anything to the BGSU Greek community?

It's an economic study that shows students at ALL Colleges & Universities with Greek affiliation give higher amounts than the regular student population. Universities like money.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:13 pm

I'm on this campus everyday, have many friends in the Greek system, heck, I work in the Res Life office: the Greek community on this university today is a waste of resources.

I have no problem with those Greeks who choose to get involved in honor's and professional fraternities. However, social fraternities and sororities is a drain on a budget which is already pretty low.

For a campus that has nearly 20% of its students in Greek life, there should be MUCH larger amount of service events and philantropy.

That's just my opinion.