Opelt out for the BG game...

rocketfootball · Post by **rocketfootball** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:54 pm

cowboyjoe wrote:2 games against teams in the top 10 since 2000 for Toledo...enough said.

Don't know why that is enough said.......just because we didn't play many Top Ten teams. For one, when Penn State was scheduled they were a Top Ten team. How were we supposed to know they wouldn't gonna be good anymore in 2000?

Future UT schedules will take care of "enough said" though.

2008
@ Michigan
@ Arizona (probably not top ten, but they sure did beatdown Oregon last week and are getting better and better)
vs Fresno State (maybe not top ten, but should be top 20 next year with a lot coming back from this year's team)

2009
vs Boise State
vs Ohio State (@ Cleveland Browns Stadium)
at Purdue (never know)

2010
vs Arizona (again, improving with Stoops as their head coach)
at Boise State
at Purdue (again, never know)

2011
at Ohio State
at Syracuse (well, probably won't ever get back to the McNabb years but they were a top five team then so who knows what will happen 4 years from now)

2012
at Arizona

2013
at Florida

SicSic80 · Post by **SicSic80** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:11 am

Pretty tough looking schedule RF. Wonder what we have to do to get Boise as a home game. Oops.....sorry different thread.

cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:53 am

When Toledo scheduled Kansas they probably were coming off one of their 1 win seasons. Just happened they are having one of their best years ever.

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:11 am

cowboyjoe wrote:When Toledo scheduled Kansas they probably were coming off one of their 1 win seasons. Just happened they are having one of their best years ever.

But your prescient Athletic Department knew BC would be a Top Ten team when you played them.

Try to set aside your biases Joe and think this through.

With a very few exceptions- OSU, Texas, USC, Michigan, Florida and maybe a couple more, nobody knows where a team they scheduled four years before is likely to be when you play them. BC hasn't been a huge powerhouse of late and when we scheduled Pitt several years ago I'm sure nobody expected them to be a TOp Ten team when they got to the GB. Both BG and UT have scheduled well against BCS teams and played not so well, as in I don't care if you run up 600 yards against #1 OSU, a loss is a loss. We played #2 Miami to a near standoff in Miami back in the 80s and when we were done we chalked up another loss and nobody was dancing in the streets.

I'm pretty happy with our upcoming OOC schedule. Six of those games are against perrenial Top Twenty Five teams and three are against teams who have won the National Championship (such as it is) in the last five years. One of those is a "home" game. As SicSic says- pretty challenging- we aren't ducking anybody.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:36 am

Personally I think UT has done a VERY good job with OOC scheduling in recent years. I don't much care whether the teams end up in the top 10 or not, you cannot control that. They have played fewer of the elite powerhouses than BG has, but BG only plays them for the payday, we know that. UT has done a great job of scheduling the middle tier BCS schools. The ones that can be beaten, but still take a good game. What's more they've been able to bring a few of those teams into the glass bowl.

I don't see how anyone could have a problem with UT's schedule. For that matter, I'm not sure why it matters?

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:40 am

hammb wrote:Personally I think UT has done a VERY good job with OOC scheduling in recent years. I don't much care whether the teams end up in the top 10 or not, you cannot control that. They have played fewer of the elite powerhouses than BG has, but BG only plays them for the payday, we know that. UT has done a great job of scheduling the middle tier BCS schools. The ones that can be beaten, but still take a good game. What's more they've been able to bring a few of those teams into the glass bowl.

I don't see how anyone could have a problem with UT's schedule. For that matter, I'm not sure why it matters?

+1 on all counts.

rocketfootball · Post by **rocketfootball** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:05 am

cowboyjoe wrote:When Toledo scheduled Kansas they probably were coming off one of their 1 win seasons. Just happened they are having one of their best years ever.

Yep. The deal was signed in the spring of 2004. Kansas was just 6-7 in 2003, with a loss to North Carolina State in the Champs Sports Bowl (then called Tangerine Bowl).

Of course Penn State had just gone 10-3 when that deal was signed, even though they weren't a very good team the year we played them as they went 5-7 in 2000.

Pittsburgh was just 7-5 when we scheduled that deal, yet they were #9 when we played and beat them in 2003.

Believe it or not, Minnesota was actually 8-4 the year we scheduled the deal with them, but they were a bad 4-7 when we beat them 38-7 in 2001.

Syracuse was 9-4 with a loss in the Fiesta Bowl the year we scheduled them. Two games in the deal have already been played, and the final home game for Syracuse has been pushed back twice already.

Purdue was 4-7 the first time we scheduled a deal with them and beat them 2 of the 3 games. However, they were in the midst of an 8-6 season when we scheduled the latest deal.

Iowa State was 7-5 and coming off of their 2nd straight bowl appearance when we scheduled that home and home deal.

The point is, you just never know how good a team is going to be when the actual games are scheduled. There are very few safe bets in terms of teams continually being very good, and almost all of those won't play you in your stadium so they have to be money deals only.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:40 am

Don't try to argue with CJ. You'll just give yourself a headache, as he's developed a high immunity to logic.

FalconTurf · Post by **FalconTurf** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:43 am

cowboyjoe wrote:When Toledo scheduled Kansas they probably were coming off one of their 1 win seasons. Just happened they are having one of their best years ever.

We can toss a lot of stones at the Glass Bowl but one with schedule writtten on it should never be tossed. I envy their non-conference home schedule. Their road non-conference schedule is not as difficult as ours for one reason, they play home games and we play too many "one-and-done" away games. I would trade an Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Boston College or any other big name road game for a home-and-home with a bottom feeder BCS school (or someone better like Purdue) in a heart beat.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:33 am

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Don't try to argue with CJ. You'll just give yourself a headache, as he's developed a high immunity to logic.

+1

cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:49 pm

Enlighten me with some more Toledo facts, boys. A loss is a loss, agreed. Getting blown out in the majority of their tough non-conference games when they were winning the MAC is a different story. Even during the "Bruce" years there was very few games out of conference that they were even close in. (The Pittsburgh game was one of the exceptions I can think of) When you are waving the banner as MAC champs and representing your conference as the "best" in a particular year, you hate to see all of those non conference blowouts by the Rockets. I have 2 brothers in Texas that were all over me a couple of years ago when the Rockets were pounded by Kansas, Minnesota, and Fresno State because all they remember were those blowouts and then they see them in the Motor City Bowl. It's bad for the MAC when the best team is torn apart in the non conference TV games.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:29 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Don't try to argue with CJ. You'll just give yourself a headache, as he's developed a high immunity to logic.

You'll be singing a different tune when Freddie Barnes is an All MAc QB, pal....

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:53 pm

cowboyjoe wrote:Enlighten me with some more Toledo facts, boys. A loss is a loss, agreed. Getting blown out in the majority of their tough non-conference games when they were winning the MAC is a different story. Even during the "Bruce" years there was very few games out of conference that they were even close in. (The Pittsburgh game was one of the exceptions I can think of) When you are waving the banner as MAC champs and representing your conference as the "best" in a particular year, you hate to see all of those non conference blowouts by the Rockets. I have 2 brothers in Texas that were all over me a couple of years ago when the Rockets were pounded by Kansas, Minnesota, and Fresno State because all they remember were those blowouts and then they see them in the Motor City Bowl. It's bad for the MAC when the best team is torn apart in the non conference TV games.

Your Texas brothers don't remember the blowout of TEXAS El Paso? They definitely are your brothers!