BG football player in trouble

[BGGrad01]

Again, another headshaker. Maybe if this was one person acting alone, then I probably would just think they made a bad decision, but three people thinking this was a good idea? Come on, guys.

I agree with Joe that the coaches have a really difficult job in assessing these guys' character and they can't watch them 24/7, but this stuff needs to stop right now. Underage drinking and peeing on a building happens everywhere, not trafficing cocaine, robbing students for weed, or using a stolen credit card.

[JoeFalcon]

Joe, I understand your point but the simple fact is this stuff hasn't happened here before.... and we've been successful before.

That's fair, but can we really know? Stoltz and Blackney didn't have to deal with blogs and heavily trafficked message boards that bring each and every one of these instances to the public's attention and take their cumulative toll on people's tolerance.

IMO, we need to separate the legitimately serious instances from the stupid stuff, take a deep breath and evaluate it within the broader perspective of our overall program and college football as a whole. As bad as we all think it is here, it's so much worse at other places that it's almost ridiculous. It doesn't justify our own misdeeds, but it does put them in a needed context.

[hammb]

Joe, I understand your point but the simple fact is this stuff hasn't happened here before.... and we've been successful before.

That's fair, but can we really know? Stoltz and Blackney didn't have to deal with blogs and heavily trafficked message boards that bring each and every one of these instances to the public's attention and take their cumulative toll on people's tolerance.

IMO, we need to separate the legitimately serious instances from the stupid stuff, take a deep breath and evaluate it within the broader perspective of our overall program and college football as a whole. As bad as we all think it is here, it's so much worse at other places that it's almost ridiculous. It doesn't justify our own misdeeds, but it does put them in a accurate context.

And you don't think this is a serious instance?

I've heard some details from a pretty reliable source. The way I heard it Hodges & Lorenzi "found" this credit card. They used it and it worked. So they called Mr. Geter, and he met them. They then went and used it at Meijer to buy an XBox360 and other stuff. Apparently that is where they were identified on store security cameras.

If this is even remotely accurate (and I have no reason to believe it isn't), this is a pretty serious incident, IMO. Even if we accept the fact that they simply found a lost credit card, it's still inexcusable. So we have two members of the team whose first reaction upon finding a credit card was trying to use it to see if it worked. Then when it does their next step is to call a teammate and friend to get in on the action (a starter no less). This guy receives the call and says, great idea I'll meet you let's spend some more of somebody else's money! He does and they follow through on it. And through it all they were all so stupid to think they could use a found/borrowed/stolen credit card and get away with it!?

I'm sorry, but this is pretty serious as far as I'm concerned. They can call it misuse of a credit card or whatever, but the fact is that it's Fraud. Plain and simple it's Credit Card fraud.

As to the coaches accepting responsibility, I again reiterate. If they were doing their jobs in properly making these instances a team affair the group would police itself. I'm sorry I can live with stupid s**t like drunken disorderly conduct, stupid pranks gone wrong, or petty traffic violations. Instead we're dealing with drug trafficking, trying to steal drugs at gunpoint, and now credit card fraud. I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous.


And you can bet your ass that if Willie Geter is touching the ball against Minnesota I will be booing him every single opportunity.

[Dayons_Den]

Joe, I understand your point but the simple fact is this stuff hasn't happened here before.... and we've been successful before.

That's fair, but can we really know? Stoltz and Blackney didn't have to deal with blogs and heavily trafficked message boards that bring each and every one of these instances to the public's attention and take their cumulative toll on people's tolerance.

IMO, we need to separate the legitimately serious instances from the stupid stuff, take a deep breath and evaluate it within the broader perspective of our overall program and college football as a whole. As bad as we all think it is here, it's so much worse at other places that it's almost ridiculous. It doesn't justify our own misdeeds, but it does put them in a needed context.

I can agree with everything you posted but I"ll also point out that I remember pretty vividly when one of Blackney's players who was employed as a bouncer beat the crap out of a local bar patron and it got local media play.

Things are under a microscope now, but you don't need a microscope to catch the things that have been happening. These are a little more serious than taking a leak in an alley or skipping your summer school classes.

[freefalcon]

I think they should be off the team.

I 'lost' my debit card a couple of years back. A person found it and ran up a $1200.00 bill. Caught him on store cameras and I made sure he was prosecuted to the fully extent of the law. His argument was he was trying to take care of his family..out of my account!! The bank made me whole and really did not want to take the time to charge the guy since a small amount was stolen. Sorry wrong is wrong and I made sure it went to court.

This was wrong. Too many times someone could have stopped it in this instance. Someone who would be a leader.

Time for the coach to step up and stop it. He made it abundantly clear to the team it has to stop. Let a few go and it would.

[JoeFalcon]

And you don't think this is a serious instance?

Where in any of my posts did I say this wasn't serious? It's serious enough to warrent a suspension, which was given. It's not serious enough to be treated like the greatest crime ever perpetrated against humankind and lumped in with other unrelated instances, some of the facts of which are still to be determined at this point.

I'm also not going to be trapped into defending or rationalizing bad behavior. The larger point is that these attention-getting screw-ups are not reflective of the vast majority of BGSU football players who quietly do what they're supposed to do but don't get the pleasure of 5 page threads with muliple paragraph treatises on their behavior.

Proceed along with the loud chanting and burning pitchforks...

[ZiggyZoomba]

This is really bugging me....

MY money has gone to support these kids and they turn and do this... that bugs the shi+ out of me at this point.

Sorry, that's just how I'm feeling at the moment. People say these guys get a free ride through college.... nope. THEY don't pay for it... but we do. I feel shat upon.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

And you don't think this is a serious instance?

Where in any of my posts did I say this wasn't serious? It's serious enough to warrent a suspension, which was given. It's not serious enough to be treated like the greatest crime ever perpetrated against humankind and lumped in with other unrelated instances, some of the facts of which are still to be determined at this point.

I'm also not going to be trapped into defending or rationalizing bad behavior. The larger point is that these attention-getting screw-ups are not reflective of the vast majority of BGSU football players who quietly do what they're supposed to do but don't get the pleasure of 5 page threads with muliple paragraph treatises on their behavior.

Proceed along with the loud chanting and burning pitchforks...

I think you're being wholly ridiculous in how you're approaching this. This a very serious instance, and continue in a growing line of serious instances this offseason. Fans have a right to be concerned, outraged, sad, and any other number of emotions. You can long for the good 'ol days when players stole s**t and nobody knew about it or whatever it is you're scratching at, but the fact remains that our football program has some serious problems right now. Whether they are real or perceived makes no difference to anybody,

[ZiggyZoomba]

Here's Ryan's Blog post...

You can read the police report verbatim and his commentary.

This sucks.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... /808270275

Kudos to Ryan for some great and fast coverage of this story.

[Rightupinthere]

Excuse me.

I have to go throw up.

[Falcon137]

And you don't think this is a serious instance?

Where in any of my posts did I say this wasn't serious? It's serious enough to warrent a suspension, which was given. It's not serious enough to be treated like the greatest crime ever perpetrated against humankind and lumped in with other unrelated instances, some of the facts of which are still to be determined at this point.

I'm also not going to be trapped into defending or rationalizing bad behavior. The larger point is that these attention-getting screw-ups are not reflective of the vast majority of BGSU football players who quietly do what they're supposed to do but don't get the pleasure of 5 page threads with muliple paragraph treatises on their behavior.

Proceed along with the loud chanting and burning pitchforks...

Yes, can we please celebrate doing the things people are supposed to do. Everyone, way to go going to work today, showing up and making money to support your family. For students, congrats on making it to class and not pissing away your tuition. And congrats to everyone for staying out of jail! Way to go on doing what your supposed to. Congrats to you football players who are staying out of trouble, and going to class, while receiving that free education.

Why would we celebrate doing what you're supposed to? It's not like these guys made an oops. They found a females credit card, thought about it, used it, called their buddy, used it again....got in trouble. I say good bye to these 3.

Everyone knows kids will be kids and find credit cards on the street and instead of turning it will run up 500-700 dollars worth of charges.......live and learn....

Is this what it was like to be a UC fan with Huggy Bear? Minus the Final 4 and National Spotlight.

[JoeFalcon]

Whether they are real or perceived makes no difference to anybody,

Read that last sentence again and explain how I'm the one being ridiculous.

Also, I'm certainly not denying anyone's right to their own thoughts or emotions. Get mad, break things, cry, what the hell do I care? I just stated my opinion. Agree, disagree...no big deal.

(This will be my last post on CreditGate. I just hope Bullock is ready for Saturday.)

[BGGrad01]

Great work by Ryan to get this information out and his commentary is right on.

If Geter lied about not knowing who used the card, then he better be gone. The other two should already be gone. I feel bad for the vast majority of the guys who are good student-athletes and have to be associated with fools like these three, Hardwick, and Barrow.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Whether they are real or perceived makes no difference to anybody,

Read that last sentence again and explain how I'm the one being ridiculous.

Also, I'm certainly not denying anyone's right to their own thoughts or emotions. Get mad, break things, cry, what the hell do I care? I just stated my opinion. Agree, disagree...no big deal.

(This will be my last post on CreditGate. I just hope Bullock is ready for Saturday.)

Maybe you haven't figured out yet that perception IS reality.

[JoeFalcon]

Maybe you haven't figured out yet that perception IS reality.

Maybe I am guilty of being old-fashioned, but for me, reality is reality. Truth and the facts matter.

OK, this is REALLY my last post on this thread.