Three Star LB down to BG and Toledo...Going to the Dark Side

[rocketfootball]

Its interesting.... Scouts now has Temple #1 ... So i guess Toledo's BEST CLASS EVER was short lived...

Anyway the interesting thing about the Toledo Class is they have 4 JUCO Kids.... While usually talented academics is usually a problem so I think Toledo's class will hinge on those kids getting the grades to play if not the class could look much different

Mark my words...you will see a fair amount of these vaunted UT recruits become ineligible to play.

Someone mentioned JUCO recruits. Does BG not take chances on JUCO recruits? For instance, was Willie Geter not a JUCO?

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To my knowledge Willie was and IS not a JUCO....he came here as a Freshman, played over past couple of years, and still has eligiblity left.

My bad.....who was the JUCO RB that came to BG a couple of years ago?

[rocketfootball]

Was his name Ransom or something?

[Class of 61]

Was his name Ransom or something?

:Yes, and he played only one year, got hurt...we thought he'd be redshirted, if nothing else via injury, but he seems to have vanished.

[Flipper]

c'mon RF....you have to admit that JUCO players are quick fix-high risk/reward signings. They tend to blow out at a much higher rate than HS players and coaches often have to spend as much toime "uncoaching" the bad habits they picked up playing JUCO as they do coaching them to fit their system. Clawson has avoided signing JUCO players...Brandon didn't sign many of them either...and I think that's the smart route to take.

And Toledo's class this year isn't even close to being the best in MAC history. In 2002 UCF had multiple **** and *** recruits on Rivals (before this year's star inflation). IIRC...they were in the top 50 nationally. THAT's the best class ever...

[factman]

.....and add to Flips comments, that UT can really only sign 22 because of APR etc, so they are just waiting to see who can't qualify (even at Toledo) and then "greyshirt" (short for pay their own way) the rest of them, it will be very interesting to see how good this UT class is, even in August, 2010 or even better in 2013 or 2014!

I'll take our class anytime......Beckman is hoping to get lucking with a kid or two and pating himself on the back, so he can build his recruiting resume and get out of "dodge", but I would hate to think what effect it will have on their program in the long run. Sort of reminds me of some of the problems their basketball program is currently having due to past problems recruiting etc.

[Falconfreak90]

And true to form, Kent State HC Doug Martin is getting a tingle down his leg today with, what he says, is the 3rd best class in the MAC. Every year I read the same thing in Akron Beacon Journal that Kent State has this awesome class coming in and where do they finish almost every year? Yep, the bottom half of the conf.

And what's with the Blade's skimpy article on the BG class? ut gets this BiG write up and BG gets about 3 or 4 paragraphs. Silly me, it is the toledo paper. Eh, let Timmah glow in his "success". Coach Clawson is all about results and has done just fine so far.

[Redwingtom]

Point shaving.....that's so old and taken care of.

Maybe so internally, but the Sword of Damocles still hangs over your program and will for several more years.

Toledo has not been to the NCAA tournament since 1980 and the school is still trying to recover from a point-shaving scandal that sullied the school's reputation. Three former basketball players and three former football players were indicted last May, and the indictment listed 17 basketball games that two Detroit-area businessmen allegedly bet on illegally.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... 03/toledo/

[h2oville rocket]

In 2002 UCF had multiple **** and *** recruits on Rivals (before this year's star inflation). IIRC...they were in the top 50 nationally. THAT's the best class ever...

Hardly. Its impossible to judge best class ever- count all the littlle stars you want, its just a silly, hot stove means to pass the time away. Judge them by the number of wins their class has? Nope, too many variables, like other classes before and after. Judge them by how many stay? No-who cares if they stay if they don't win? Like I said- no way to know what class was the best ever.

[TG1996]

In 2002 UCF had multiple **** and *** recruits on Rivals (before this year's star inflation). IIRC...they were in the top 50 nationally. THAT's the best class ever...

Hardly. Its impossible to judge best class ever- count all the littlle stars you want, its just a silly, hot stove means to pass the time away. Judge them by the number of wins their class has? Nope, too many variables, like other classes before and after. Judge them by how many stay? No-who cares if they stay if they don't win? Like I said- no way to know what class was the best ever.

Careful, H2O... you're getting dangerously close to straying from the Rocket party line.

[Flipper]

In 2002 UCF had multiple **** and *** recruits on Rivals (before this year's star inflation). IIRC...they were in the top 50 nationally. THAT's the best class ever...

Hardly. Its impossible to judge best class ever- count all the littlle stars you want, its just a silly, hot stove means to pass the time away. Judge them by the number of wins their class has? Nope, too many variables, like other classes before and after. Judge them by how many stay? No-who cares if they stay if they don't win? Like I said- no way to know what class was the best ever.

Don't be an jackass... Clearly I'm attempting a comparative analysis based on the criteria that other jackass from the cesspool up north has been using to tout the collection of oafs, dopes, lummoxes and trailer trash signed by your football coach as the best collection of oafs et al. in the history of our little pissant conference...

[h2oville rocket]

In 2002 UCF had multiple **** and *** recruits on Rivals (before this year's star inflation). IIRC...they were in the top 50 nationally. THAT's the best class ever...

Hardly. Its impossible to judge best class ever- count all the littlle stars you want, its just a silly, hot stove means to pass the time away. Judge them by the number of wins their class has? Nope, too many variables, like other classes before and after. Judge them by how many stay? No-who cares if they stay if they don't win? Like I said- no way to know what class was the best ever.

Don't be an jackass... Clearly I'm attempting a comparative analysis based on the criteria that other jackass from the cesspool up north has been using to tout the collection of oafs, dopes, lummoxes and trailer trash signed by your football coach as the best collection of oafs et al. in the history of our little pissant conference...

Sorry- doesn't hold up- we recruited Scooter, remember? That was the UT's peak for oafs, dopes and lummox's although he was probably too quick to qualify as a lummox. This class doesn't look to have that potential, IMO. A couple of dope smoking home invaders might put us over the top, or even bringing Richard Davis back would help, but heck- we recruited a guy named Pleasant- how bad can this group be?

And that's pretty harsh, calling Petersburg a cesspool-I drove through once-it seemed OK to me although i did blink and missed most of it.


"an jackass"??????

[Flipper]

Fine..I was going to call you an ass...but jackass seemed more fitting...your fixation on my superflous "n" bears that decision out.

Petersburg is my mailing address...I live in Ida Twp....the good part of Ida Twp...the part with hardly any wrecked Fords on blocks in the front yard

Don't sell these kids short...I'll bet you have at least a couple with the good sense to get liquored up to try to break into a Sheriff's deputy's house...with an unloaed gun no less. An unloaded gun...what kind of an idiot carries an unloaded weapon? You might just as well carry a "shoot me" sign...

[Falcon Commander]

"Don't be a jackass... Clearly I'm attempting a comparative analysis based on the criteria that other jackass from the cesspool up north has been using to tout the collection of oafs, dopes, lummoxes and trailer trash signed by your football coach as the best collection of oafs et al. in the history of our little pissant conference... "





I'm framin' this one !!

[h2oville rocket]

You might just as well carry a "shoot me" sign...

Well, our PR people were able to keep that part out of the story, but he actually WAS wearing a "shoot me" sign. It was kind of embarrassing. At least if you have loaed paint ball guns you can leave a mark.

[rocketfootball]

c'mon RF....you have to admit that JUCO players are quick fix-high risk/reward signings.

JUCO players are for quick fix, but that is what Toledo needs. You've seen how bad Toledo's been the last four years. JUCO's are not necessarily high risk. Toledo has done well with JUCO's in the past. QB Brian Jones was a JUCO and led Toledo to the MAC Championship game and a bowl game in his one year of playing time at Toledo (he sat behind Tarvaris Bolden his junior year). WR Kenny Higgins had a very productive two years at Toledo and has been playing arena ball. OLB Michael Chamberlain and DE Lantz Jeudy both contributed a lot and were starters in their time at Toledo. QB Alex Pettee is a JUCO and did well in his starts at QB this past year when Opelt and Dantin went down. Pettee's also a very good student with over a 3.0 GPA.

If JUCO's were as high risk as you are trying to imply, then top programs all throughout the country wouldn't be adding a couple every year. This year Toledo added three JUCO players, all on defense where they need a "quick fix." It's not like half of our class are JUCO's. Yes, we've added some prep players too (two to be exact), but prep players are not necessarily high risk either. Jermaine Robinson is a recent example of a prep player and he started at free safety right away as a true freshman here. Temple has brought in a lot of prep players in the last few years, and they've steadily improved their program and wins, so it has seemed to work for them.

I think you are just reaching to validate to yourself that Toledo's recruiting class will not be as good as it looks on paper.