BGSU Athletics Strategic Plan/Open Letter

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Tech2000 wrote:Just an FYI, Chris was at the signing get together tonight and announced thanks to some donators we are to have a new field before the first game.
Orange field with brown endzones? :twisted:

Odd that you ask that. I was standing beside Chris when he made the announcement and asked Jinks which of 2 dates in July he would like it to be done by. I asked Chris, Boise St sarcasim, if we could get it in brown and or orange. Chris told Jinks I had a follow up question; he answered green.
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MEN'S SCHOLARSHIP LIMTS
Baseball 11.7
Basketball (HC) 13
Cross Country 12.6
Football (HC) 85
Golf 4.5
 Ice Hockey 18
Soccer 9.9


WOMEN'S SCHOLARSHIP LIMITS
Basketball - (HC) 15
Cross Country/Track & Field 18
Golf 6
Gymnastics (HC) 12
Soccer 14
Softball 12
Swimming & Diving 14
Tennis (HC) 8
Volleyball (HC) 12

Why are there fractions? Most NCAA varsity programs are equivalency sports which means awards can be split into partial scholarships in any proportion up to the maximum allowed. For example, an NCAA Division I school can allocate a number of partial athletic scholarships equivalent to 11.7 full scholarships in any proportion among, say, 25 baseball players.

Full scholarships are relatively rare in equivalency sports. An additional caveat is that there is a top limit of the number of athletes that can be awarded even a partial scholarship in an equivalency sport - this limit is referred to as the maximum number of counters. For NCAA I baseball teams the maximum number of counters allowed is 27.

There are fewer NCAA head-count (added HC) sports than equivalency sports; head count sports mean the stated scholarship limit is absolute, and the number of student athletes receiving awards cannot exceed this number. NCAA I football and basketball are headcount sports as well as a few others noted above. For example, NCAA FBS football schools can have a maximum of 85 players under scholarship during a year. Head count sports generally award a much higher percentage of full scholarships to participants than equivalency sports.

So for Women's Tennis - I can't award 16 half-tuition scholarships, 8 room scholarships, and 8 meal scholarships for a total of 32 players. It appears for Head Count teams the best use is to award full scholarships

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transfer2BGSU wrote: Most NCAA varsity programs are equivalency sports
Cosmo Kramer, Equivalency Program graduate:

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Flipper wrote:Ask the AD with Greg Christopher

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apollo wrote: If they have to cut scholarships from another sport to fully fund baseball, then they should do it. The goal of the department should be to win MAC Championships...baseball has proven it can do that.
And that thinking is the problem. Let's not increase the department as a whole when we can simply rob Peter to pay Paul. What have the athletes in the sports you would cut scholarships done to deserve a decrease? The department should be doing all is can to do the following:
1. Increase ticket revenue (that does not mean raising ticket prices)
2. Increase private donor support
3. Place all facilities on a preventative maintenance program
4. Get ALL scholarships endowed
5. Decrease dependence on the student general fee

If we can do half of these things the department will be in great shape.
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It's the Journey... wrote:
apollo wrote: If they have to cut scholarships from another sport to fully fund baseball, then they should do it. The goal of the department should be to win MAC Championships...baseball has proven it can do that.
And that thinking is the problem. Let's not increase the department as a whole when we can simply rob Peter to pay Paul. What have the athletes in the sports you would cut scholarships done to deserve a decrease?


What did the baseball program do to deserve getting 3 scholarships cut after winning BACK TO BACK CONFERENCE TITLES in 2008 and 2009? You can make all the excuses you want...what Christopher did to that program was borderline criminal.
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It all boils down to dollars and cents. In most schools, besides the student funding fees and the already set allocation of funds from the colleges, football and basketball create most of the extra funding that goes towards the athletic dept budget. I am not sure but think that BG is no different except for that basketball both men and women, hopefully this will change soon, has not done well over time. A lot has been said about BG football going bowling but this does bring in revenue. There is a need for more fan presents in order to bring in the revenue. And yes I am a season ticket holder and Falcon Club. As previously mentioned, NCAA sets the tone for what can and how much should happen. Thus those athletics that are revenue generating are getting the most in offered scholarships based on the value that is placed on winning to gain that extra revenue. Unfortunately, those non generating revenue sports take the hit. This board index even has a listing for other sports non revenue generating. I would like to add 1 more to what Its the Journey wrote, join the Falcon Club. As little as $100 a person can become a member and all that money goes towards scholarships. More people join more money specifically goes towards scholarships.
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apollo wrote:
It's the Journey... wrote:
apollo wrote: If they have to cut scholarships from another sport to fully fund baseball, then they should do it. The goal of the department should be to win MAC Championships...baseball has proven it can do that.
And that thinking is the problem. Let's not increase the department as a whole when we can simply rob Peter to pay Paul. What have the athletes in the sports you would cut scholarships done to deserve a decrease?


What did the baseball program do to deserve getting 3 scholarships cut after winning BACK TO BACK CONFERENCE TITLES in 2008 and 2009? You can make all the excuses you want...what Christopher did to that program was borderline criminal.
They did not do anything to deserve the reductions, and I have never said they did. I am a firm believer that if you are going to field a team, do it 100%. You are combining two issues I see as separate. Issue 1: Baseball should be designated all scholarships permitted. Issue 2: Scholarships should not be taken from a sport just to be given to another sport.

It goes back to our need to find new revenue streams. We do well with giving from our high donors. We do a terrible job with our average fans because the department treats them like crap. There is a large base of average fans that will give if they are treated with respect and given a good, not even great, game day experience. Improve things like quality of food, traffic flow in AND OUT of games, common sense facility rules and enforcement and you can expand what should be our largest support base. They may not all join Falcon Club but they will buy more tickets, attend more events, and maybe start talking to their friends about taking in a game with them. We should be looking at things like reducing the price of tickets for some sports if it leads to more butts in the seats and an overall increase in revenue. We should be looking at the price of parking, cost of concessions, wifi/internet capabilities in all of our facilities. We should be looking at charging for all of our sports with individual and season ticket options to increase revenue. People will pay for a quality product and what baseball, gymnastics, soccer, track, etc. is putting out there is a higher quality product than some of our "revenue" sports. We need to make sure our facilities are being used for as many events as possible, even if they are non-athletic, to bring in additional revenue. There is so much we can and should be doing. I just don't understand why we cannot break free of "business as usual".....
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It's the Journey... wrote:

It goes back to our need to find new revenue streams. We do well with giving from our high donors. We do a terrible job with our average fans because the department treats them like crap. There is a large base of average fans that will give if they are treated with respect and given a good, not even great, game day experience. Improve things like quality of food, traffic flow in AND OUT of games, common sense facility rules and enforcement and you can expand what should be our largest support base. They may not all join Falcon Club but they will buy more tickets, attend more events, and maybe start talking to their friends about taking in a game with them. We should be looking at things like reducing the price of tickets for some sports if it leads to more butts in the seats and an overall increase in revenue. We should be looking at the price of parking, cost of concessions, wifi/internet capabilities in all of our facilities. We should be looking at charging for all of our sports with individual and season ticket options to increase revenue. People will pay for a quality product and what baseball, gymnastics, soccer, track, etc. is putting out there is a higher quality product than some of our "revenue" sports. We need to make sure our facilities are being used for as many events as possible, even if they are non-athletic, to bring in additional revenue. There is so much we can and should be doing. I just don't understand why we cannot break free of "business as usual".....
Sounds like a great plan to me. You'd hope a competent person in such a position would be able to recognize these things without being told. We seem to be hung up on dutifully attending countless professional development seminars and returning with empty, platitudinous buzzwords like "synergy" while these basic, common-sense elements remain unaddressed year after year.
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