Concerns to Watch

[mbenecke]

Kinda sounds like exactly what Loeffler has been saying then, right? Like things might be going according to plan?

And like even though this year will likely be a struggle, there is light at the end of the tunnel?

[jpfalcon09]

Kinda sounds like exactly what Loeffler has been saying then, right? Like things might be going according to plan?

And like even though this year will likely be a struggle, there is light at the end of the tunnel?

From my eyes there's things to be excited about. I'm sure others will have differing opinions. They handed out rosters and it was startling to see just how few upperclassmen are on the roster. Honestly the one area BG should be solid at is special teams. Needham made all his kicks today, a long of 46, and Naranjo had a couple boomers.

I didn't go to the luncheon so no idea what was said by Scot and the leadership group of players, but yes his assessment is fair and people are going to have to be patient. I talked to Moose briefly and he likes the direction the program is headed, especially off the field as a lot of the disciplinary issues have been fixed and there's a clear plan of where things are going.

If you're concerned solely on wins and losses though, you'll probably want to find other things to do with your Saturdays because the team is still going to struggle given the inexperience at nearly every position.

[MarkL]

Not surprised the special teams are looking good. Bob Ligashesky is an awesome coach. We won't have him for long I am sure so I hope he does great with the STs and all those guys learn as much as they can from him.

[guest44]

I didn't go to the luncheon so no idea what was said by Scot and the leadership group of players, but yes his assessment is fair and people are going to have to be patient. I talked to Moose briefly and he likes the direction the program is headed, especially off the field as a lot of the disciplinary issues have been fixed and there's a clear plan of where things are going.


Is this the same Bob Moosbrugger from back in 2018? He wasn't concerned about the program off the field at that time. Actually, the quote was somewhat complaining about the focus being on the players who had been tossed off the team for being arrested.

https://www.toledoblade.com/DavidBriggs ... 0180727147

At 0-5 and projected at 1.5 wins in 2021, Bob Moosbrugger is now focused on the players off the field actions as to why he likes the programs direction. Which is it Bob?

[MarkL]

No AD will publicly slam a coach. Do you really think behind the scenes Moosbrugger was okay with all the arrests in 2018? If you think he was, I just don't have anything to say ...

[guest44]

No, but he could have fired him, since he did in fact fire him 7 games into that same season. Maybe that could have resulted in a 8 year rebuild instead of 10.

[pdt1081]

No, but he could have fired him, since he did in fact fire him 7 games into that same season. Maybe that could have resulted in a 8 year rebuild instead of 10.

Was players getting arrested in his contract as being "just cause" to be dismissed?

[guest44]

Probably not, because BG structures contracts like they actually have the money from sources outside student fees. But, a blind squirrel could see he was in over his head well before 2018. BGSU tossed him chunks of money, inculding a final 200k in December of 2019 just months before Covid. A 5 year guaranteed contract for a high school football coach, who didn't even have an agent, who never stepped foot in the state of Ohio. The Kingston Crew's true legacy.

[jpfalcon09]

Todd Walker did a preview with some Vols folks.

https://volswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/1 ... ce=twitter

[MarkL]

Was players getting arrested in his contract as being "just cause" to be dismissed?

No. Agents have made contracts as friendly as possible for the coach. And here's where Kingston royally screwed up, because Jinks did not have an agent. If you're going to take a risk, protect yourself and the opportunity was there for a university friendly contract with an agentless candidate.

I've said it here before, the contract Jinks got was a disaster for BG. Kingston took a huge risk on the guy after a run of championship seasons. Sometimes risks work out like PJ Fleck at Western Michigan, and sometimes they don't like Rich Rodriguez at Michigan.
Jinks was a totally unnecessary risk. So the contract should have protected the university. Low base salary (around 250k), high incentive structure for upset wins and rivalry wins and championships, and easy outs for the university. Jinks didn't have an agent so there's a good chance he would have signed it, even if potential outs included player behavior. And if he didn't sign it, negotiate or move on to the next candidate.

So let's say 2016 went differently and the contract were as I suggested above. Jinks upset Ohio State in game one. Beat UT. Won 10+, won the east, won the MAC. He damn right should have been paid 700k or more with a massive incentive bundle. But alas we went 4-8 with the worst blowouts in history. Then he just gets the base of 250k, and as player discipline melts down in the coming years then there's an opportunity to fire with cause and negate the buyout. That's a way you protect yourself from an unnecessary risk.

[Flipper]

Probably not, because BG structures contracts like they actually have the money from sources outside student fees. But, a blind squirrel could see he was in over his head well before 2018. BGSU tossed him chunks of money, inculding a final 200k in December of 2019 just months before Covid. A 5 year guaranteed contract for a high school football coach, who didn't even have an agent, who never stepped foot in the state of Ohio. The Kingston Crew's true legacy.

How long are you going to litigate the past?...10 years?....15?...20?

[Schadenfreude]

Finally, on Blackney: It was kind of a different era, but in addition to that 1995 win over Missouri...

I should have should have mentioned Blackney's second game, a 1991 trip to West Virginia where the Falcons came close, losing 24-17. That was an eye opener. Three years earlier, the Mountaineers had shellacked Bowling Green, 62-14. I think the conventional wisdom is that Moe Ankney was a great recruiter, but just couldn't pull it together with the Xs and Os on game day, or something. The program really clicked during Blackney's first few years.

The Blackney era was also different era in the sense that the MAC had been down a long time and no one really expected the MAC to produce a nationally-ranked team the way it had routinely during the early-to-mid 1970s. Bowling Green had been on the cusp of the Top 25 in 1994 before the season-ending debacle against Central Michigan. I had that 1995 Missouri game circled on the calendar for a long time. I thought maybe, if the Falcons could win that one, they could punch into the Top 25 after that.

The Falcons did win at Missouri, but their Top 25 hopes had crumbled the previous week when Ryan Henry was picked six times at home against Louisiana Tech before a huge home crowd.

It was a frustrating season. In the end, it was the Rockets finishing nationally-ranked (with an 11-0-1 record), not the Falcons.

The MAC was quite good in 1995. Miami was the only team in the country to beat the eventual Big Ten champion, Northwestern, but at 8-2-1 the Redwhatevers still couldn't get a bowl bid. There weren't nearly as many bowl games to go around back then.

[jpfalcon09]

Probably not, because BG structures contracts like they actually have the money from sources outside student fees. But, a blind squirrel could see he was in over his head well before 2018. BGSU tossed him chunks of money, inculding a final 200k in December of 2019 just months before Covid. A 5 year guaranteed contract for a high school football coach, who didn't even have an agent, who never stepped foot in the state of Ohio. The Kingston Crew's true legacy.

How long are you going to litigate the past?...10 years?....15?...20?

Every thread ends up being hijacked about the same nonsense.

[Schadenfreude]

Matt McDonald looks healthy. Ball coming out quick and accurate. His weird throwing motion is gone.

This is good to hear.

[kdog27]

Probably not, because BG structures contracts like they actually have the money from sources outside student fees. But, a blind squirrel could see he was in over his head well before 2018. BGSU tossed him chunks of money, inculding a final 200k in December of 2019 just months before Covid. A 5 year guaranteed contract for a high school football coach, who didn't even have an agent, who never stepped foot in the state of Ohio. The Kingston Crew's true legacy.

How long are you going to litigate the past?...10 years?....15?...20?

Probably still mad at Craig Jarrett for missing a pass at shoestrings.