UT v. FSU

[TJRocket]

His arm strength is sub-par and he throws a terrible deep ball from what I've seen of him.

Bruce's sub-par arm strength and terrible deep ball beat BG. It was the deep ball that got the Rockets back in the game last year. How does it feel to get beat by a QB with a weak arm?

Reading comprehension dude -- reading comprehension...

My bad dude -- my bad...

I thought you said that Bruce has sub-par arm strength and a terrible deep ball. Can you tell me what you meant then, when you typed out that statement?

[Bleeding Orange]

His arm strength is sub-par and he throws a terrible deep ball from what I've seen of him.

Bruce's sub-par arm strength and terrible deep ball beat BG. It was the deep ball that got the Rockets back in the game last year. How does it feel to get beat by a QB with a weak arm?

Reading comprehension dude -- reading comprehension...

My bad dude -- my bad...

I thought you said that Bruce has sub-par arm strength and a terrible deep ball. Can you tell me what you meant then, when you typed out that statement?

Uhhh....I would guess that he meant that Bruce has sub-par arm strength and a terrible deep ball. At least thats what I read...

[Redwingtom]

It was the deep ball that got the Rockets back in the game last year. How does it feel to get beat by a QB with a weak arm?

So was it that whooping 37 yard TD pass, or the 20 yarder?

Bruce's average completion yardage in that game was 14.08 yards per completion.

As always, defense against the run was BG's downfall in that game.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

His arm strength is sub-par and he throws a terrible deep ball from what I've seen of him.

Bruce's sub-par arm strength and terrible deep ball beat BG. It was the deep ball that got the Rockets back in the game last year. How does it feel to get beat by a QB with a weak arm?

Reading comprehension dude -- reading comprehension...

My bad dude -- my bad...

I thought you said that Bruce has sub-par arm strength and a terrible deep ball. Can you tell me what you meant then, when you typed out that statement?

I meant read the whole post. I gave bruce credit for whomping us in the second half last year and noted what I feel are his strengths. Arm strength is not one of them. Guess what, BallSU's quarterback whomped on us too. Does that mean he's an awesome qb? of course not. Tearing apart BG's defense is no proof of great QB play.

No Toledo fan can honestly tell me that your passing offense isn't built around the screen game and short passing game. It doesn't take a strong arm to excel in that system, which Bruce has obviously done. He's a perfect quarterback for UT -- Strong, mobile, accurate, and a good leader.
Those things are all well and good, but without the arm strength to make every throw in the book, he's not an elite QB. Take him out of that offense and I think he struggles. Hey, maybe I'm wrong -- but come here and tell me why I'm wrong, and not with weak 12-yr-old smack talk.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Anyhooter, I just threw that in to keep the rockettes from saying "derrr he was good enough to beat you guys last year derrrr lol lol".

Bruce's sub-par arm strength and terrible deep ball beat BG. It was the deep ball that got the Rockets back in the game last year. How does it feel to get beat by a QB with a weak arm?

Man do I know my Toledo fans or what?

[TJRocket]

No Toledo fan can honestly tell me that your passing offense isn't built around the screen game and short passing game. It doesn't take a strong arm to excel in that system, which Bruce has obviously done. He's a perfect quarterback for UT -- Strong, mobile, accurate, and a good leader.
Those things are all well and good, but without the arm strength to make every throw in the book, he's not an elite QB. Take him out of that offense and I think he struggles. Hey, maybe I'm wrong -- but come here and tell me why I'm wrong, and not with weak 12-yr-old smack talk.

So, because of the offense that Toledo runs, in your book that means that Bruce has a weak arm? Even though he has proved otherwise. So he doesn't sling the ball downfield every play like you do when you play Madden or NCAA 2006 on your Playstation 2, that doesn't mean that Bruce has a weak arm. Omar doesn't throw the ball 80 yards downfield every play. Does that mean that Omar has a weak arm?

FWIW, of the times I've seen Omar play he hasn't exactly looked all that great throwing the deep ball. Of the one that he actually completed in the Boise game, that ball was not exactly on target, his receiver bailed him out on that particular play.

[TJRocket]

It was the deep ball that got the Rockets back in the game last year. How does it feel to get beat by a QB with a weak arm?

So was it that whooping 37 yard TD pass, or the 20 yarder?

Bruce's average completion yardage in that game was 14.08 yards per completion.

As always, defense against the run was BG's downfall in that game.

Hmmmm... weird seeing you here. If it isn't the "BG fan" that spends more time on the Rocket board than he does on the Falcon board.

As always, defense against the run was BG's downfall in that game.

Right Tom, because Toledo's longest run that game was for about 30 yards. Bruce's quick scoring strikes had nothing to do with the comeback.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

No Toledo fan can honestly tell me that your passing offense isn't built around the screen game and short passing game. It doesn't take a strong arm to excel in that system, which Bruce has obviously done. He's a perfect quarterback for UT -- Strong, mobile, accurate, and a good leader.
Those things are all well and good, but without the arm strength to make every throw in the book, he's not an elite QB. Take him out of that offense and I think he struggles. Hey, maybe I'm wrong -- but come here and tell me why I'm wrong, and not with weak 12-yr-old smack talk.

So, because of the offense that Toledo runs, in your book that means that Bruce has a weak arm? Even though he has proved otherwise. So he doesn't sling the ball downfield every play like you do when you play Madden or NCAA 2006 on your Playstation 2, that doesn't mean that Bruce has a weak arm. Omar doesn't throw the ball 80 yards downfield every play. Does that mean that Omar has a weak arm?

FWIW, of the times I've seen Omar play he hasn't exactly looked all that great throwing the deep ball. Of the one that he actually completed in the Boise game, that ball was not exactly on target, his receiver bailed him out on that particular play.

Wrong again -- from the deep balls and deep outs I've seen Bruce attempt, his arm strength looks sub-par.

The point is how can we conclude Bruce is an elite qb when he throws so many bubble screens? Half of his yardage comes from receivers running the ball on screens. Those are glorified running stats. They don't reflect Bruce's talent level. The stat Toledo fans all hang their hats on when it comes to talking up Bruce is the completion %. It isn't extremely difficult to complete bubble screens. When I see Bruce attempt NFL throws, his arm strength looks weak to me.

Basically, if you think Bruce is going to be playing on Sunday's, you're kidding yourself IMO.

BTW -- attacking Omar doesn't help defend Bruce. Omar played chitty in the Boise game. Very few of his throws were on target including his deep ball. How does saying Omar had a bad game against Boise prove anything about Bruce's arm strength?

[1987alum]

Any chance you guys could take this outside and settle it once and for all?

These p***ing matches get less and less fun to watch.

[Bleeding Orange]

It was the deep ball that got the Rockets back in the game last year. How does it feel to get beat by a QB with a weak arm?

So was it that whooping 37 yard TD pass, or the 20 yarder?

Bruce's average completion yardage in that game was 14.08 yards per completion.

As always, defense against the run was BG's downfall in that game.

Hmmmm... weird seeing you here. If it isn't the "BG fan" that spends more time on the Rocket board than he does on the Falcon board.

As always, defense against the run was BG's downfall in that game.

Right Tom, because Toledo's longest run that game was for about 30 yards. Bruce's quick scoring strikes had nothing to do with the comeback.

Um, excuse me? Are you over here talking smack not even a day after that loss last night? Let me tell you something, UT doesn't have much to be proud of right now no matter how much they outgained FSU by. They proved that they couldn't hold onto the ball and that is a big, big problem.

Don't talk smack over here when you have been blown out in the only real football game your team has played this season.

[JoeFalcon]

FWIW, of the times I've seen Omar play he hasn't exactly looked all that great throwing the deep ball. Of the one that he actually completed in the Boise game, that ball was not exactly on target, his receiver bailed him out on that particular play.

It's not worth that much if you make sweeping determinations about Omar Jacob's arm strength based on one play you saw in the Boise State game or "the times I've seen Omar play." He's played in 15 games and has done enough to get himself projected as a first round pick in every NFL mock draft availible and is Mel Kiper's #1 rated junior QB. I guess we should throw that out the window because a receiver had to adjust for a ball in the Boise game, though.

Of all the fights to pick, you decide to choose Bruce's arm strength? Very, very strange indeed.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Any chance you guys could take this outside and settle it once and for all?

These p***ing matches get less and less fun to watch.

I think I've raised some valid points and have tried to have an intelligent discussion. I'm not taking responsibility for TJ's inability to do so

[Bleeding Orange]

Any chance you guys could take this outside and settle it once and for all?

These p***ing matches get less and less fun to watch.

I think I've raised some valid points and have tried to have an intelligent discussion. I'm not taking responsibility for TJ's inability to do so

Yeah, J4H is definately not the problem here, and methinks a certain phallic fan needs to find the door to save face...

[Redwingtom]

Any chance you guys could take this outside and settle it once and for all?

These p***ing matches get less and less fun to watch.

Well, please stop watching then

Just because you like to sleep with the enemy does not mean we all have to.

[Rightupinthere]

Quite right, 87.

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