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[Dayons_Den]

Tek, the point of that original post by Warthog was to refute what was posted by an OSU fan, not to bring up the point the Laurenitis (which I had a bad case of after a trip to Tijuana) was in that late.

If you read through this thread most Falcon fans have come around to the fact that OSU was not acting in a classless manner.

[BleedOrange]

I know I'm about to get jumped on for saying this but did any of you happen to notice who the quarterbacks were on those calls? The answer(s) would be Justin Zwick and Rob Shoenhoft. Tressel was simply trying to give his backups some experience in pressure situations, it had nothing to do with running up the score. Any objective observer could tell you that those two calls had nothing to do with a lack of class and more to do with looking down the road. Your guys manned up and played well at the end of the game when they very well could have packed it in and gone home. It is especially impressive considering how young they are. Good luck with the rest of the year.

Thank you thank you thank sir. This was OBVIOUS. Jesus. There is some seriously stupid, clueless bitching in this thread. It's embarrassing.

[TG1996]

There is some seriously stupid, clueless bitching in this thread. It's embarrassing.

And as has been said a half dozen times already, the emotion died down fairly quickly and people (myself included) came around to think it wasn't as bad as initially posted.

[Flipper]

You're all stupid whores for complaining about this....

[Bleeding Orange]

Flipper is a b**ch.

[Mr. Frieda]

You're all stupid whores for complaining about this....

Call her what you want, but I like her bluntness.

[Warthog]

Tek, the point of that original post by Warthog was to refute what was posted by an OSU fan, not to bring up the point the Laurenitis (which I had a bad case of after a trip to Tijuana) was in that late.

If you read through this thread most Falcon fans have come around to the fact that OSU was not acting in a classless manner.

Thanks DD, that was exactly my point. I wasn't saying OSU was running it up. Just refuting the point made that OSU had subbed on defense and BG had not.

[McFate]

Just to nit-pick, I know Laurenitus was still in the game the last time BG had the ball because he made the takle on the play before Macon's long run. And I know BG's backup middle LB (Basler) was in for Terrel White the previous OSU series. So we had back-ups in on both sides of the ball midway through the fourth quarter. OSU had their starting LB on the field with less than two minutes to play. Just making a counterpoint to your statement.

Let's not focus on just one player (the only one not subbed by OSU on that series -- what a coincidence). That could be slightly misleading.

I was bored and had a 3-hour plane flight (and a DVD of the game) today, so I watched the final couple of drives and compared all the player numbers that were caught in the camera, to the starters in the ABC graphic to start the game.

When the score was 28-7, BG and OSU had one series each and essentially all the starters were in for both teams. Apparently neither team was really confident that the game was over, and it was still fairly early in the fourth quarter.

When the score hit 35-7 (after the OSU series referenced in the previous sentence)...

(1) BG's first offensive series, with the score 35-7, starting with about 12:00 left in the fourth quarter. Here 's who BG had on the field ("S" = starter):
QB 17 (S), TB 33 (S), WR 1 (S), WR 80 (S), TE 88 (S)
OL 68 (S), OL 70 (S), OL 71 (S), OL 73 (S), OL 78 (S)
I didn't catch the eleventh guy's number but I believe he was a third WR. He wouldn't have been mentioned in the starters graphic at the start of the game, because the starting lineup graphic had a fullback and not a third WR. Still, that's essentially the entire starting offense.

And here is who OSU had on the field ("NS" = not starter):
DB 2 (S), DB 3 (S), DB 32 (S), DB 23 (NS)
LB 55 (NS), LB 33 (S), LB 52 (S),
DL 78 (NS), DL 92 (NS), DL 90 (S), DL 87 (NS)
That's about half of the starting defense.

So, at this point OSU is starting to substitute fairly seriously. Then OSU gets the ball back:

(2) OSU's offensive series after the score hit 35-7, starting with about 9:30 left in the fourth quarter. Here's who OSU had on the field:
QB 12 (NS), QB 16 (NS), RB 34 (NS), RB 49 (NS), RB 28 (NS),
WR 7 (S), WR 11 (S), WR 9 (NS), WR 80 (NS), WR 4 (NS), TE 87 (NS)
OL 54 (NS), OL 57 (NS), OL 68 (S), OL 67 (NS), OL 63 (NS), OL 79 (NS)
This is more than 11 players because of rotation that occurred during the drive, I just counted all the different players that I saw during the drive. The key thing to note is that only one starting lineman was ever on the field, and I believe he is a second-teamer who usually isn't in the starting lineup, so he may have been slated for the "#2 OL" as well. Lots of receivers, including Ginn and Gonzalez, rotated in and out.

And here's who BG had on the field that I could identify:
DB 4 (S), DB 24 (S), DB 23 (NS), DB 22 (NS)
LB 30 (S), LB 45 (NS), LB 44 (S), LB 47 (NS)
DL 99 (NS), DL 57 (S), DL 92 (S), DL 58 (S), DL 90 (NS)
That's about half of the starting defense. There are more than 11 players, again, because of substitutions that happened during the drive.

I'll include the remainder of the data in a minute, but my previous point is about this situation here. On the previous offensive series ("(1)" above) BG has the entire starting offense in the game and is certainly trying to score, on an OSU defensive unit that's about half starters and half second-team. If that's kosher, why isn't it kosher for all the OSU scrubs -- with the same score and about the same amount of time left in the game -- to try to score against a defense that's about half BG starters?

(3) BG's second offensive series after the score hit 35-7, here's who I saw on the field:
QB 13 (NS), TE 88 (S), RB 5 (NS), RB 33 (S), WR 81 (NS), WR 1 (S), WR 19 (NS)
OL 73 (S), OL 78 (S), OL 68 (S), OL 71 (S), OL 70 (S)
Lots of second-team skill position players (though a starting WR was in the whole time and starting RB rotated in and out), and the entire starting offensive line and tight end played throughout the series.

OSU's defenders that series:
DE 9 (NS), DL 84 (NS), DL 87 (NS), DL 92 (NS)
LB 55 (NS), LB 33 (S), LB 51 (NS)
DB 20 (NS), DB 23 (NS), DB 20 (NS), DB 8 (NS), DB 13 (NS)

And note that the sole OSU starter on defense in the game, is the one which was used to suggest that BG was substituting before OSU.

I have no idea why Lauranitis remained on the field at this point. If he's the only one who can relay the defensive calls, that's probably not good if he gets injured. If they were depending on him ensuring all the young players were lined up properly, I guess that might be reasonable, but I'd rather they use a less key player for that.

[Warthog]

Great analysis there McFate. Again, I was just nit-picking, pointing out what I saw. I only picked out Laurenitius becuase he is one of the few OSU starters that I could remember and I remembered that the PA guy gave him credit for the tackle Dayon's Den posted. Not being an OSU fan, the Animal's son is the only name that I would have recognized. As fate would have it, he was the one starter still in the game, and he made a tackle.

[Dayons_Den]

McFate,

When can we expect yoru analysis of the Zapruder film?



Oh, and did we have 10 or 11 players out on the field for the blocked field goal?

[MACMAN]

Dunno about that. This is the first game this season that OSU has been unable to cover the spread.

BG didn't play to their potential, but OSU certainly weren't allowed to play to theirs, and BG gets a result no one else has pinned on OSU this season - the spread.

I have watched the tivo of this game twice now and can say.
1. I was wrong, our guys did great against this OSU team and Im proud of them.
2. OSU started putting in their developmental folks in the start of the 2nd qt...so by going for it on 4th downs its not a lack of respect for us, but instead of racking up field goals why not.
3. OSU has a good team...they will lose to florida if they are able to beat MI.

[1987alum]

Did you expect them to go for a field goal?

I don't see a problem.

Neither do I.

At Temple a couple of years back, we got our 70th or 72nd point or something like that by calling a run on fourth and goal from the 12. Dan Macon -- who was third or fourth on the depth chart at that point -- took it in.

We made the right call then, and Tressell made the right calls today. Basically, we needed to sack up. On one of those fourth down calls, we did, and that was nice to see.

Schade:

That's exactly what I was going to post. We were near that end zone when Macon waltzed in for that score. BG was using everyone on the depth chart (including using Winovich, listed as a LB, as a TE). We ran the same exact play three or four times in a row - Macon up the middle.

I don't see a problem, either.

[tekekini]

Just to nit-pick, I know Laurenitus was still in the game the last time BG had the ball because he made the takle on the play before Macon's long run. And I know BG's backup middle LB (Basler) was in for Terrel White the previous OSU series. So we had back-ups in on both sides of the ball midway through the fourth quarter. OSU had their starting LB on the field with less than two minutes to play. Just making a counterpoint to your statement.

Let's not focus on just one player (the only one not subbed by OSU on that series -- what a coincidence). That could be slightly misleading.

I was bored and had a 3-hour plane flight (and a DVD of the game) today, so I watched the final couple of drives and compared all the player numbers that were caught in the camera, to the starters in the ABC graphic to start the game.

When the score was 28-7, BG and OSU had one series each and essentially all the starters were in for both teams. Apparently neither team was really confident that the game was over, and it was still fairly early in the fourth quarter.

When the score hit 35-7 (after the OSU series referenced in the previous sentence)...

(1) BG's first offensive series, with the score 35-7, starting with about 12:00 left in the fourth quarter. Here 's who BG had on the field ("S" = starter):
QB 17 (S), TB 33 (S), WR 1 (S), WR 80 (S), TE 88 (S)
OL 68 (S), OL 70 (S), OL 71 (S), OL 73 (S), OL 78 (S)
I didn't catch the eleventh guy's number but I believe he was a third WR. He wouldn't have been mentioned in the starters graphic at the start of the game, because the starting lineup graphic had a fullback and not a third WR. Still, that's essentially the entire starting offense.

And here is who OSU had on the field ("NS" = not starter):
DB 2 (S), DB 3 (S), DB 32 (S), DB 23 (NS)
LB 55 (NS), LB 33 (S), LB 52 (S),
DL 78 (NS), DL 92 (NS), DL 90 (S), DL 87 (NS)
That's about half of the starting defense.

So, at this point OSU is starting to substitute fairly seriously. Then OSU gets the ball back:

(2) OSU's offensive series after the score hit 35-7, starting with about 9:30 left in the fourth quarter. Here's who OSU had on the field:
QB 12 (NS), QB 16 (NS), RB 34 (NS), RB 49 (NS), RB 28 (NS),
WR 7 (S), WR 11 (S), WR 9 (NS), WR 80 (NS), WR 4 (NS), TE 87 (NS)
OL 54 (NS), OL 57 (NS), OL 68 (S), OL 67 (NS), OL 63 (NS), OL 79 (NS)
This is more than 11 players because of rotation that occurred during the drive, I just counted all the different players that I saw during the drive. The key thing to note is that only one starting lineman was ever on the field, and I believe he is a second-teamer who usually isn't in the starting lineup, so he may have been slated for the "#2 OL" as well. Lots of receivers, including Ginn and Gonzalez, rotated in and out.

And here's who BG had on the field that I could identify:
DB 4 (S), DB 24 (S), DB 23 (NS), DB 22 (NS)
LB 30 (S), LB 45 (NS), LB 44 (S), LB 47 (NS)
DL 99 (NS), DL 57 (S), DL 92 (S), DL 58 (S), DL 90 (NS)
That's about half of the starting defense. There are more than 11 players, again, because of substitutions that happened during the drive.

I'll include the remainder of the data in a minute, but my previous point is about this situation here. On the previous offensive series ("(1)" above) BG has the entire starting offense in the game and is certainly trying to score, on an OSU defensive unit that's about half starters and half second-team. If that's kosher, why isn't it kosher for all the OSU scrubs -- with the same score and about the same amount of time left in the game -- to try to score against a defense that's about half BG starters?

(3) BG's second offensive series after the score hit 35-7, here's who I saw on the field:
QB 13 (NS), TE 88 (S), RB 5 (NS), RB 33 (S), WR 81 (NS), WR 1 (S), WR 19 (NS)
OL 73 (S), OL 78 (S), OL 68 (S), OL 71 (S), OL 70 (S)
Lots of second-team skill position players (though a starting WR was in the whole time and starting RB rotated in and out), and the entire starting offensive line and tight end played throughout the series.

OSU's defenders that series:
DE 9 (NS), DL 84 (NS), DL 87 (NS), DL 92 (NS)
LB 55 (NS), LB 33 (S), LB 51 (NS)
DB 20 (NS), DB 23 (NS), DB 20 (NS), DB 8 (NS), DB 13 (NS)

And note that the sole OSU starter on defense in the game, is the one which was used to suggest that BG was substituting before OSU.

I have no idea why Lauranitis remained on the field at this point. If he's the only one who can relay the defensive calls, that's probably not good if he gets injured. If they were depending on him ensuring all the young players were lined up properly, I guess that might be reasonable, but I'd rather they use a less key player for that.

wow! you have no life.

[tekekini]

Dunno about that. This is the first game this season that OSU has been unable to cover the spread.

BG didn't play to their potential, but OSU certainly weren't allowed to play to theirs, and BG gets a result no one else has pinned on OSU this season - the spread.

I have watched the tivo of this game twice now and can say.
1. I was wrong, our guys did great against this OSU team and Im proud of them.
2. OSU started putting in their developmental folks in the start of the 2nd qt...so by going for it on 4th downs its not a lack of respect for us, but instead of racking up field goals why not.
3. OSU has a good team...they will lose to florida if they are able to beat MI.

I would like to say that Florida will not make it through the season undefeated. They still have a tough tough road. They got Auburn this week I believe.

It will be OSU v Wva if OSU beats UM and that sucks because that will not even be a game!

[BGGrad01]

I would like to say that Florida will not make it through the season undefeated. They still have a tough tough road. They got Auburn this week I believe.

It will be OSU v Wva if OSU beats UM and that sucks because that will not even be a game!

At the risk of this turning into an "Other Schools" debate, I agree with you on both points. Florida plays at Auburn (coming off a loss) and they have rivalry games against Georgia and FSU. IF they get through those games, they would have to win the SEC title game. That would be one heckuva feat for them to run the table against their schedule.

Basically, I think the national title game will end up being OSU vs. Michigan (if they're both still unbeaten).