This irritates the crap outta me...

[SaxyIrishTenor]

Can we just agree that this was a dumb idea and move on? I don't think there is some big conspiracy by the alumni association to hurt attendance. They made a mistake and knowing Lori and Kam, they regret it. To my knowledge they haven't done watch parties in Toledo for home games before and probably won't ever do it again. When I talked to Kam on Saturday night I think she realized that a mistake was made.

They are trying their best with limited budgets to encourage Falcon Alumni support their school. I think they've done a good job so far and will give them a pass on this one because of all the positive things they've done in the past.

I will be there for the Miami game and I will be encouraging others to do so.

No one implied that there was a big conspiracy, just a TOTAL LACK of rational thought.

[redskins4ever]

Unless you are or have been Greek you have no idea the commitment that being greek is. so 20% of BGSU is greek and you want them to come to the games? What about the other 80% of campus, or are they too busy packing their suitcases to go home each weekend?

If you are greek on a national scale... your grades are 1/10 a point higher then non greeks, you perform 200% community service work then your fellow student, you are 50% more likely to graduate from college...

and I'm just getting warmed up....

Just because you don't greeks working doesn't mean they aren't contributing... and as for a drain on university resources, greeks actually all pay into a mutual fund for greek events.

Greeks are constantly bashed, but then you want them to be loud and rowdy and to come to games, which is it? You love'em or you hate'em?

And bare in mind I was part of a fraternity that has the single largest student run food drive in the nation in which they raise over 3 million lbs of food per year.

[It's the Journey...]

We have two separate discussion going on here. Some are talking specificaly about the current BGSU greek community. Others are talking about the national greek community. The original intent of this thread, as I read it, was refering to the current BGSU greek community. If tickets were bought then they are supporting athletics. However, we need more than that, we need numbers. Part of this lays with the department. Someone should have been sent around to remind the various groups around the stadium we need them to at least use their tickets and walk through the gates. As far as the rest of the arguement our current BGSU greek community is not doing it's part, I can see both sides and will leave it at that.

[Flipper]

redskin4ever...Matt Hughes is a badass mofo! The way he fought off BJ Penn's submissions (a triangle choke and an armbar) and then came back to finish him with some vicious ground and pound was awesome....

[cbjhack]

I'm on this campus everyday, have many friends in the Greek system, heck, I work in the Res Life office: the Greek community on this university today is a waste of resources.

I have no problem with those Greeks who choose to get involved in honor's and professional fraternities. However, social fraternities and sororities is a drain on a budget which is already pretty low.

For a campus that has nearly 20% of its students in Greek life, there should be MUCH larger amount of service events and philantropy.

That's just my opinion.

Sorry, BGDREW, but I think you are waisting your time fighting an uphill battle. And you are totally misinformed and wrong on all accounts in your argument.

Get back to debating why the Toledo chapter should or shouldn't have a watch party for a home game. Greeks aren't to blame for the lack of attendance. There are 20,000 students who attend BG. On average only 6,000 attend games. Where are the other 14,000? There are 130,000 alumni, of which about 40,000 live in NWO, SE MI, and NE IN. There is in the neighborhood of 500,000 people who live in Lucas and Wood County (probably more). Why can't BG attract even 20,000 people to attend games?

The alumni staff, the athletic staff, and student leaders (greek and non-greek) busts there butt to do its part to attract people to games. Ultimately it takes people themselves to attend the games. All interested parties should find out why people aren't attending games. Until then, blaming people and making unneccesary comments about greeks, or the alumni staff, or university officials is pointless.

[BGDrew]

I never said anyone needed to agree with me.

But to talk about this subject, there's no reason anyone within 30 miles who likes this University shouldn't support it.

[Bleeding Orange]

Greeks aren't to blame for the lack of attendance. There are 20,000 students who attend BG. On average only 6,000 attend games. Where are the other 14,000? There are 130,000 alumni, of which about 40,000 live in NWO, SE MI, and NE IN. There is in the neighborhood of 500,000 people who live in Lucas and Wood County (probably more). Why can't BG attract even 20,000 people to attend games?

Wow, so apparently I opened a whole can of worms that I didn't intend to. Oops - but at least it got some discussion going, I guess.

I bolded the above comment because it is absolutely correct. Greeks are not to blame for our dismal attendence, but in my opinion, their actions are symptomatic of what is wrong with our fan base. Greeks do a lot of good for the community through philantropies and other activities. I believe that the primary roles of Greek organizations are to 1.) create upstanding young individuals, and 2.) better the community around them.

The problem that I see with our Greek community at BGSU is that they do a great job of being positive members of the community in NW Ohio, but they do a pretty dang poor job of being good members of the BGSU community. Now, I'm sure this statment will really rile some of you, but so be it. At other universities, a big part of being Greek is setting an example for the rest of the student body. Again, the BGSU Greek community does a great job of this on a regional level, but unfortnately (in my opinion) not on the campus level.

A lot of the apathy towards the University and it's athletics has a lot to, I'm sure with the old and tired OSU vs. your alma mater debate, but somehow I can't help but get the feeling that there is something much more endemic going on. I really, really hate to use TU as an example, but they are a pretty good local example of a Greek community supporting athletics. If you go to a TU football game, you will see their Greek chapters represented by their letters on a stick - you can't miss them. Now, I'm sure that making some young pledge carry around the letters can be construed as some class of hazing, but the reality is that this shows their presence and shows their tangible support for the University.

Someone made the argument that Greek students have a lot more commitments than non-Greek studnets, and I am not going to dispute that. What I will dispute is that those extra commitments preclude them from supporting their Univeristy and their fellow students at atheltic events. Part of the problem is scheduling of events by Greek organizations. My brother is currently a member of a fraternity and I can not tell you how many times in the past year that, during a football, basketball or hockey game, they have had some sort of "tea" scheduled with a sorority. These kinds of things can be scheduled around major athletic events, and quite frankly, they very well should be. Greek organizations do a lot of things, and they do most of them very well. They win a lot of awards from their national's, and that is great for them and great for the Univeristy's reputation. They need to work on their on-campus image, though.

There is no group of categorizable students on campus as large as the Greek community. Just imagine what kind of a statement it would be to the rest of the student body if the Greek community made one of it's priorities supporting BGSU athletics! No other group of students has the potential for positive influence that they do, and I guess this is why I single them out, fairly or unfairly.

[cowboyjoe]

Why does Toledo only get 20,000 to 25,000 at their home games when they have over 600,000 people to choose from?

[factman]

...........and back to the original post, I just received an email from Kam Warner saying they messed up and the "watch" party was going to be canceled.
Nice job of doing the RIGHT thing!!

[Bleeding Orange]

...........and back to the original post, I just received an email from Kam Warner saying they messed up and the "watch" party was going to be canceled.
Nice job of doing the RIGHT thing!!

Awesome! I wish there was some way we could start a "Project Falcon 2" to get that chapter a tent at the game, though. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

[robdupont]

Grant was talking about us getting a tent for the last game . We can ask The chapter in Lorain, Cleveland,Tri County Toledo And Other within two hundred miles from the statium to join us.. I have learned over the years that the Alumni Association and Athletic do not talk enough to know what the other is doing.Why does the Athletic office even charge the Alumni Association for a tent. with the benefit Athletic Department gets from them Yes both department work hard but sometime they just spin their wheels There is some hard feelings between the two department. When I was told by the marking Department they can not work with this group because we are not sponcered by the school thats wrong.

[irs]

Just noticed that the watch party for Toledo area is still listed on the Alumni site - http://falconalumni.bgsu.edu/cgi-bin/we ... 7ad002e1db

[Strouse]

For those who, for one reason or another won't be able to make it to the BG/Miami game but will be able to watch it, you should notice that the visitors stands will seem more full. I was told that the FMB and student section will be moved to the East Side of the stadium for that very reason. Which means that hopefully all sitting on the Home side will be able to hear the FMB a little better! As well as bother the Miami team as well!

[TG1996]

For those who, for one reason or another won't be able to make it to the BG/Miami game but will be able to watch it, you should notice that the visitors stands will seem more full. I was told that the FMB and student section will be moved to the East Side of the stadium for that very reason. Which means that hopefully all sitting on the Home side will be able to hear the FMB a little better! As well as bother the Miami team as well!

If the band is moved to the NE side, by the tunnel, that's cool.

Putting the students on that side is wrong. We've bitched when Miami(OH) does it repeatedly, why would we do the same?

Also, I think having our student section 20 feet behind our HOME bench is a good deal.

[PGY Tiercel]

For those who, for one reason or another won't be able to make it to the BG/Miami game but will be able to watch it, you should notice that the visitors stands will seem more full. I was told that the FMB and student section will be moved to the East Side of the stadium for that very reason. Which means that hopefully all sitting on the Home side will be able to hear the FMB a little better! As well as bother the Miami team as well!

If the band is moved to the NE side, by the tunnel, that's cool.

Putting the students on that side is wrong. We've bitched when Miami(OH) does it repeatedly, why would we do the same?

Also, I think having our student section 20 feet behind our HOME bench is a good deal.

The student section could still be behind the home bench. My guess is that the TV cameras will mostly scan the east side of the stadium. During both the CMU and EMU games this week, mostly the visitor sides were shown. Just move the Home bench to the east side. It ensures the BG complies with the rule that student sections can't be behind the vistors bench, our students are behind the BG bench and hopefully it will make the stadium look better than CMU and EMU did.