BG coaches no longer welcome at Erie prep

[falconfan1]

AD Kingston tweet says it all. Coach Babers and staff have been nothing but first class w our committed kids. Just completely first class. Each recruiting situation has many components- the one in the article has absolutely ZERO ties to Coach Babers or anyone in the Sebo Ctr today. One key from previous group and most any staff: here is who says "go" and OK's an actual offer- the head coach. Not anyone else. Coach Babers and staff have done a super job in respecting and communicating w all our actual offered and committed kids.

Go Falcons!

[mscarn]

In a he said/he said dispute over a scholarship offer, a story gets published that assumes the validity of one version of events without verification and never even provides the other version.

The real story will eventually get out and people will be put on the record, but before that time comes it's one lone tweet and common sense against a published story with the weight of a media conglomorate behind it and the implicit validation afforded by such.

[mscarn]

If this story was completely reversed in a bizarro world it might look something like this:

BGSU upset with Pennsylvania High School Coach
BOWLING GREEN — Bowling Green is one of the top football schools in the Mid-American Conference. The Ohio school won the MAC championship in 2014, and last year it lost the East Division to Kent on a last second play.
A problem with a Cathedral Prep football standout, who said he verbally committed to the Falcons but does not have a scholarship offer, has upset first-year BGSU coach Dino Babers.
“Basically, Cathedral Prep is telling this kid we offered him,” Babers said. “That makes me very angry.
“I’m not ever letting their coaches in this school again while I’m coach here.”
The player was reported by the Erie Times-News to have committed to Bowling Green in July. Such a commitment was never independently verified.
Erie Prep said Mark Carney, the wide receivers coach under former coach Dave Clawson, was the coach who recruited him.
Clawson left days after the Falcons won the Mid-American Conference championship game, and Babers was named his replacement a little more than a week later.
Carney did not follow Clawson to Wake Forest and was not retained on the Falcons’ staff by Babers.
“I’m not a first-year coach. I know the zigs and zags of recruiting,” Babers said. “I have honored every commitment from the previous staff, but I’m not going to be bullied into giving out scholarships that were never confirmed to be offered.”
Babers said the Bowling Green coaching staff told Erie Prep Coach Mike Mischler the Falcons do not consider Tyree one of their commitments.
With national signing day for college football one week away, Tyree is without a Football Bowl Subdivision scholarship offer and Babers says they’re looking to deflect the blame for that to others.
“We had a brand new staff, the coach involved was gone and now we are being accused of never getting back to them quick enough. That’s the problem I have with them. I think someone has to be held accountable for that.”
NCAA rules prohibit Erie Prep coaches from talking about potential signees, even those without formal scholarship offers, until national signing day next Wednesday.
Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2014/01 ... kyHvprL.99" target="_blank

[Globetrotter]

If this story was completely reversed in a bizarro world it might look something like this:

BGSU upset with Pennsylvania High School Coach
BOWLING GREEN — Bowling Green is one of the top football schools in the Mid-American Conference. The Ohio school won the MAC championship in 2014, and last year it lost the East Division to Kent on a last second play.
A problem with a Cathedral Prep football standout, who said he verbally committed to the Falcons but does not have a scholarship offer, has upset first-year BGSU coach Dino Babers.
“Basically, Cathedral Prep is telling this kid we offered him,” Babers said. “That makes me very angry.
“I’m not ever letting their coaches in this school again while I’m coach here.”
The player was reported by the Erie Times-News to have committed to Bowling Green in July. Such a commitment was never independently verified.
Erie Prep said Mark Carney, the wide receivers coach under former coach Dave Clawson, was the coach who recruited him.
Clawson left days after the Falcons won the Mid-American Conference championship game, and Babers was named his replacement a little more than a week later.
Carney did not follow Clawson to Wake Forest and was not retained on the Falcons’ staff by Babers.
“I’m not a first-year coach. I know the zigs and zags of recruiting,” Babers said. “I have honored every commitment from the previous staff, but I’m not going to be bullied into giving out scholarships that were never confirmed to be offered.”
Babers said the Bowling Green coaching staff told Erie Prep Coach Mike Mischler the Falcons do not consider Tyree one of their commitments.
With national signing day for college football one week away, Tyree is without a Football Bowl Subdivision scholarship offer and Babers says they’re looking to deflect the blame for that to others.
“We had a brand new staff, the coach involved was gone and now we are being accused of never getting back to them quick enough. That’s the problem I have with them. I think someone has to be held accountable for that.”
NCAA rules prohibit Erie Prep coaches from talking about potential signees, even those without formal scholarship offers, until national signing day next Wednesday.
Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2014/01 ... kyHvprL.99" target="_blank

What would have been more effective here would be a fake article from one of the Jared's who verbally committed and then left for other teams.

[MarkL]

Well played, mscarn.

[Class of 61]

I again say what I said earlier in this thread. I' m almost positive I recall that this kid was NOT a definite commit until MUCH more recently and NOT in July as indicated. I could be wrong but don' t know how to back thru threads to check it.


oK... I Did look it up from former posts and I' d posted he AND Jared Weyler supposedly verbal led to BG.. BUT someone else followed up with post that he was NOT listed on ANY sites...so it could be that he didn't notify BG ?

[Globetrotter]

I again say what I said earlier in this thread. I' m almost positive I recall that this kid was NOT a definite commit until MUCH more recently and NOT in July as indicated. I could be wrong but don' t know how to back thru threads to check it.

I posted articles that are from August.

[Flipper]

He could "commit" from now until doomsday...if he didn't have an actual offer it's meaningless.

[Globetrotter]

Has there been any explanation about Hinkel? He certainly had an offer.

[Flipper]

I found this quote from the Erie website to be odd....

Several players who committed to Eastern Illinois when Babers coached there last season are expected to follow Babers to Bowling Green.

Coaching staff? yes....Players? First I've heard any discussion of that.

[Globetrotter]

I found this quote from the Erie website to be odd....

Several players who committed to Eastern Illinois when Babers coached there last season are expected to follow Babers to Bowling Green.

Coaching staff? yes....Players? First I've heard any discussion of that.

Preferred walk-ons?

[Globetrotter]

They have 4 people listed in Rivals

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... linois-120" target="_blank

2 signed post Babers

[mscarn]

Yeah, that statement about several EIU commits coming here makes almost no sense.

1) We didn't have the room to take "several" while honoring our existing commitments under Clawson.
2) We wouldn't want to take "several" because we're not a I-AA program in the OVC.
3) It's unlikely that someone would turn down a full-ride I-AA scholarship to be a walk-on at a place you've got no previous connection or association to, let alone several. It's not an "I always dreamed of playing at Ohio State" situation.
4) As Globe's link pointed out, they never had "several" players committed in the first place.
5) The line was in the context of the writer's story searching for reasons to rationalize why an offer from the Erie Prep player would not be honored. As we now know, such a premise has been strongly refuted and has yet to be independently confirmed through an official, written offer letter that would settle the issue and show which side is correct.

[mscarn]

A couple more questions come to mind that the logically incurious scribes might want to consider:

1. Why would Babers decide to honor every single verbal commitment except this one? If he was of the mind to wantonly rescind offers, why was this the only one?
2. Why would Babers go out of his way to purposely alienate that coach and that program? What benefit is there to not bring a Big 33 player onto the roster?

It doesn't add up, and the reason it doesn't add up is because it's bulls***.

[Globetrotter]

A couple more questions come to mind that the logically incurious scribes might want to consider:

1. Why would Babers decide to honor every single verbal commitment except this one? If he was of the mind to wantonly rescind offers, why was this the only one?
2. Why would Babers go out of his way to purposely alienate that coach and that program? What benefit is there to not bring a Big 33 player onto the roster?

It doesn't add up, and the reason it doesn't add up is because it's bulls***.

No matter what it seems like Babers and co. didn't do a good job creating/maintaining a relationship with this coach. You want to do this stuff as delicately as possible. If I was Babers I would make certain there was a follow up story after signing day. I would track down what exactly happened with the communication and if BG bared any responsibility, even if it was the departed Carney, I would give him a preferred walk-on spot.

There might have been some question about the severity of the offer but that should have been cleaned up in August when he first committed.