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WTH ...?

A. how many VP openings does this Learfield Co have?? (And how stable are those positions???)


B. do these Universities not understand "Repair and Maintenance to Buildings and Equipment" ????
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Our AD job is a bear, always has been. So we'll probably keep sending the good ones on to better/easier jobs. Best wishes to CK, he was a good one.
but we'll be fine, especially the hockey program. :rock:
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I see that Steve Watson is the AD at Loyola of Chicago. However, he's having a bit of a problem with the WBB coach there. Any speculation on who we might get?

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Hadn't seen this posted yet, but the university will be using a national search consultant to find the new AD. Doesn't appear it will be filled in-house.
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It sounds like the frustration of being an AD in general contributed to the move more than frustration with finances. Read through this thread about the new tennis coach he hired:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.p ... is.531785/" target="_blank

If it was purely to leave BG he would have gone to another institution. He left the collegiate athletic administration business period. AD's have even been known to take steps down as Associate AD's at larger schools (Mike Waddell at Towson and Bob Arkeilpane at Buffalo, to name two) to relieve the pressure of the decision-making falling exclusively on them. Again, that wasn't the case here. It was awful timing and patently unfair to Mike Jinks given the centrality of Kingston in his unconventional hiring and his extensive public comments extolling the working relationship he fully expected them to have together.

Still, the timing of this a week after the faculty union secured yet another sweetheart deal for themselves while the athletic department continues to languish at the bottom of the conference operating budget ladder cannot be ignored. Hackenberg also mentioned the mysterious morass the Doyt project appears permanently stuck in, with patchwork fixes, interminable research studies and talk of "quiet periods" standing in for actual, concrete action. The athletic director can't be the sole driver of a project of that magnitude. It must come from the President and Board of Trustees, and all available evidence indicates they reflect the sentiments expressed by many posters on this board, wringing their hands and hemming and hawing about whether such an investment is even desirable, let alone feasible. It is indeed both, and I hope that realization is reached sooner rather than later and an AD can be hired to shepherd such a project through to completion.
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I don't think there's too much mystery about the Doyt.... they aren't going to proceed until it's funded. The AD will be secondary in that process behind the Prez and the trustees. I think the $$$ spent on building new frat/sorority housing, new dorms and renovated classrooms were dollars well spent. Students will be in those buildings 24/7. The Doyt gets used maybe 5-10 per year. It should have a lower priority
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Different revenue streams with the Doyt, too. My impression is that, with classroom buildings and that kind of thing, the state can help. WIth the Doyt, that's primarily going to be driven by donations.
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The pitfalls of borrowing to build a stadium...

http://www.ibtimes.com/college-football ... ce-2258669" target="_blank

Of particular interest is the paragraph re the situation at Akron....
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I would say there definitely needs to be some work done to the infrastructure of the Doyt. I'm sure the plumbing/electrical/heating and cooling needs to be updated. Obviously a renovation of the concessions is necessary, but to expect a major construction project to tear down and build up the structure itself is crazy. We don't draw anyone...make the facility better for the people who use it. Coaches/staff/players etc...That stuff is more important than having a stadium like Akron.
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Flipper wrote:The pitfalls of borrowing to build a stadium...

http://www.ibtimes.com/college-football ... ce-2258669" target="_blank

Of particular interest is the paragraph re the situation at Akron....
“There are some intangibles that will come from the new stadium, there’s no doubt about it,” Vangermeersch said. “The issue, though, becomes that line from the ‘Jerry Maguire’ movie — show me the money. Show me this is a valid investment for all of six game days a year — and they can’t.”

I think this line sums up BG, we play 6 home games a year (1-2 during the week in November) with no other program that really needs the seating, concession or restroom capacity of a 24,000 seat stadium. The only practical, yet ridiculous way, I see this happening at a MAC school to spend the money Akron spent is to have all the other athletic facilities somehow attached and share restrooms, concessions and suites with say an arena along with attachments for baseball, softball, tennis, soccer and track facilities around the stadium to share more restrooms and concessions. Initially the price would be overwhelming but at least there would be multiple reasons to maintain and update facilities.

As is I really can't see a reason to put tons of money into a facility that averages 16,000 a game over 6 dates. I like football, I've enjoyed my season tickets for years and I wish more people would attend. I don't think bigger video boards, better concessions, and nice restrooms will do much more than maintain current attendance levels.
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While I'd argue it would significantly help attendance and many other areas, it's really not about any of that. It's all (or very well nearly all) about recruiting.

FBS football is the level we're at. Our competitors have nice, shiny things and we are falling behind if we're not matching them 24/7/365 in every realm. I wish it were more high-minded or sophisticated than that but it isn't. There's a broader argument to be made about the benefits winning football brings to a university as a whole, and we've engaged in that debate quite often over the last few years. To even get to that point you need players, and facilities are universally considered one of the central draws for any university.

It's all very well if we decide a dorm or biology building is worth more because it's used more often by a broader cross section of the student body, but by doing that a choice has just been made to fall behind Akron, WMU, Toledo, NIU and most of the MAC when it comes to attracting players to compete in football and it's only a matter of time before the ramifications of that choice are felt competitively.

If we're going to stay at the FBS level and continue winning championships there is no other choice. The administrations of most other MAC schools have unapologetically decided that Division I athletic success is worth the costs associated with its attainment and it's imperative that our administration and BOT does the same.
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Truthfully...if it comes down to falling behind our peers....and really UT and Akron are hardly peers...and having a great stadium or muddling along and having first rate classrooms, dorms and academics...i say "f**k football". Football isn't our mission. Besides, from Ann Arbor to Tuscaloosa...student interest appears to be on the wane.


I think it's a false choice...we can have both, but we need to be smart and not expect a palace in place of the Doyt. Akron wasn't smart nor were they patient
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I agree with Flipper...you can improve the Doyt without a complete rebuild. The facilities the football team use are still in the top 3 or 4 in the conference. BG's locker room/ weight room/ training room are all better than what Akron has right now. Kids are interested in the stuff that affect them....they don't care about what part of the stadium has bleachers and chair backs. Like I said previously....restroom and concession updates are necessary, I'm sure there are some basic needs to the stadium itself, but I can't think of a bigger waste of money than trying to build a new football stadium.

Look no further than our very own Stroh Center...is it nice? No doubt about it. Has it helped attendance? Has it helped recruiting? Has it generated all the revenue that the university said it would??? Nope... What they should have done is renovate Anderson and built a parking garage in the lot next to it. Would've solved parking issues on game days and for classes. You'd have a better game day atmosphere and saved a boat load of money.
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mscarn wrote:It sounds like the frustration of being an AD in general contributed to the move more than frustration with finances. Read through this thread about the new tennis coach he hired:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.p ... is.531785/" target="_blank
Figured I would share this here since the tennis coach Kingston hired had previously been brought up

http://www.bgsufalcons.com/news/2016/5/ ... coach.aspx" target="_blank
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