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[mcfalcons83]

That was right on. Importance of national exposure for University, recruits and Ohio Universities we are competing against

[apollo]

There is no reason the MAC couldn't put the same product on the field and be smarter about spending...and to be honest 2/3 of the teams in the MAC are horrendous....BG for the most part is fun to watch, but many teams are so bad you wonder if they even bother practicing?

[Falconfreak90]

I, too, am sick of the brainwashed cult that is the t shirt osu fan base. Those people that actually attended osu have a healthy respect for the MAC and know about it.

We will never be osu in this state. The media covers the last time Meyer took a dump while we cannot get more than a paragraph in most papers. Since the Browns and Bengals don't do anything, people want to latch on to a winner...and osu wins like crazy. So if all the media covers are the buck$, that's all most people see and hear. A catch 22 and vicious circle.

For me, I am VERY PROUD to be a FALCON, only. I couldn't care less about any other program anywhere. We have a great tradition of success and take a back seat to nobody. We are in the top 30, I believe, all time in winning % at this level....in the country. Falcon born and bred, Falcon til I'm dead. Beating these clods on 9/3 would be an incredible day and BG football would be on ESPN Sportscenter for days. Hell, even Jay Crawford might give BG kudos over his beloved buck$. lol.

Around the nation, people know who we are.

BEAT OHIO STATE

[Flipper]

BGSU Falcon Fishing Team@bgsufishing, or http://bgsufishing.weebly.com/" target="_blank
and Adrian is d3 no scholarships given, so what you are saying is BGSU should play d3? or like our rugby just make all sports non league and play all club sports?

Actually...D3 would be awesome. Then you'd have people paying to play here via financial aid and academic scholarships. Everything would be more or less self sufficient...

D2 is an option also...lower scholarship limits...I think it's like 30-35 max for football. That seems fiscally responsible. We'd get to play Wayne state...I've never met a guy named Wayne who wasn't a complete tool. That right there is the basis for a hell of a rivalry.

You guys keep saying things like "well nobody is complaining now" ...that's awesome, but it's not a point I'm arguing. I have a BA in English...but I can also do (basic) math. The expenses associated with D1 sports...specifically football...are growing exponentially. We do not have a history of showing a capability of growing revenue and raising money at a similar clip. Students currently pay for 65% of the athletics budget through fees. At some point that is going to have to be increased to keep pace...at some point some sharpie with an accounting background is going to ask "WTF are we paying all this money for sports when nobody cares about them". At what point do we draw the line and say "enough"...we're through participating in an arms race we can't compete in..much less win"? I'm also at a loss to see what tangible benefit being D1 provides...I know some of you like it emotionally...but...why should that matter?

Why do we have 20 coaches (including grads) associated with football? Kehres at Mount Union gets by with less than half that. Anyone going to argue that Dino's teams were fundamentally twice as sound as Mount Union?

The biggest challenge we face in building interest in sports at BG isn't Ohio State. It's the natural inclination of today's youths to sit on their ass and play games...or whatever the hell it is that those pasty little bastards do all day. Why are we shelling out so many $$ when the market is responding..as they have for decades...with a shrug. If they respond at all.

I will bet you that the Saturday attendance for Animarathon at the student union exceeded the best crowd in either hockey or hoops..hell, add them together and they still exceeded it. Dress Josh Gomez up like Sagat from Street Fighter and you may actually draw more students to basketball games. Have Laura Mitchell do a beam routine dressed as Harley Quinn and gymnastic will skyrocket in popularity (as it should any way...those girls are awesome athletes).

I think it's great that people from San Diego or wherever have heard about us because of MACtion....I didn't realize SoCal was a target market for us. I just assumed we were focusing on OH and the geographically contiguous states...places that have students that might actually attend classes here.

C'mon people..it's a new day. The UK has shown the light via Brexit...let's join our long time allies and drop a MAC-xit.....

[Schadenfreude]

I don't think Flipper is advocating for BG to drop down a division or drop any sports.

Actually...D3 would be awesome. Then you'd have people paying to play here via financial aid and academic scholarships. Everything would be more or less self sufficient...

D2 is an option also...lower scholarship limits...I think it's like 30-35 max for football. That seems fiscally responsible. We'd get to play Wayne state...

[Roll Along!]

Going D3 wouldn't save the University a dime in scholarship dollars. It WOULD save athletics, which pays the University for every dime of the scholarships they give out. But the University is getting tuition/room and board money for those 400 student-athletes the athletics department has every year. And if you cut athletics altogether, that's 400 less students that the University is getting tuition dollars for.

That's why Falcon Club exists. To help raise the funds for scholarship money that goes right to the University.

[MacGuy]

BGSU Falcon Fishing Team@bgsufishing, or http://bgsufishing.weebly.com/" target="_blank
and Adrian is d3 no scholarships given, so what you are saying is BGSU should play d3? or like our rugby just make all sports non league and play all club sports?

Actually...D3 would be awesome. Then you'd have people paying to play here via financial aid and academic scholarships. Everything would be more or less self sufficient...

D2 is an option also...lower scholarship limits...I think it's like 30-35 max for football. That seems fiscally responsible. We'd get to play Wayne state...I've never met a guy named Wayne who wasn't a complete tool. That right there is the basis for a hell of a rivalry.

You guys keep saying things like "well nobody is complaining now" ...that's awesome, but it's not a point I'm arguing. I have a BA in English...but I can also do (basic) math. The expenses associated with D1 sports...specifically football...are growing exponentially. We do not have a history of showing a capability of growing revenue and raising money at a similar clip. Students currently pay for 65% of the athletics budget through fees. At some point that is going to have to be increased to keep pace...at some point some sharpie with an accounting background is going to ask "WTF are we paying all this money for sports when nobody cares about them". At what point do we draw the line and say "enough"...we're through participating in an arms race we can't compete in..much less win"? I'm also at a loss to see what tangible benefit being D1 provides...I know some of you like it emotionally...but...why should that matter?

Why do we have 20 coaches (including grads) associated with football? Kehres at Mount Union gets by with less than half that. Anyone going to argue that Dino's teams were fundamentally twice as sound as Mount Union?

The biggest challenge we face in building interest in sports at BG isn't Ohio State. It's the natural inclination of today's youths to sit on their ass and play games...or whatever the hell it is that those pasty little bastards do all day. Why are we shelling out so many $$ when the market is responding..as they have for decades...with a shrug. If they respond at all.

I will bet you that the Saturday attendance for Animarathon at the student union exceeded the best crowd in either hockey or hoops..hell, add them together and they still exceeded it. Dress Josh Gomez up like Sagat from Street Fighter and you may actually draw more students to basketball games. Have Laura Howard do a beam routine dressed as Harley Quinn and gymnastic will skyrocket in popularity (as it should any way...those girls are awesome athletes).

I think it's great that people from San Diego or wherever have heard about us because of MACtion....I didn't realize SoCal was a target market for us. I just assumed we were focusing on OH and the geographically contiguous states...places that have students that might actually attend classes here.

C'mon people..it's a new day. The UK has shown the light via Brexit...let's join our long time allies and drop a MAC-xit.....

I once met Wayne Gretzky.

[Flipper]

He ruined hockey by not wanting guys to punch him in the head repeatedly...sure, he can recall his name and address...but man..I sure do miss those fights involving guys who can barely keep their balance while they flail away under several pounds of pads and such.

On the topic of who pays who...distinction without a difference. BG athletics pays for scholarships, but the University feeds them money through that football fee

[Globetrotter]

Things are against us. Let's give up. Lots of good things happen from giving up. Everyone knows there is a pretty easy equitable solution to this. Balanced scheduling. Sharing the 16 team tournament money. Discussing ways to improve things is idiotic. Instead lets just give up. The market has won. OSU gets to make the rules because they are the biggest. Although maybe just 30-40 teams will win and that's all, leaving everybody else behind. They deserve it. They worked the hardest. The less hard working teams didn't work hard enough. Helping them will be giving them handouts. We can't do that. Even if the product is much better and we see how things like the NFL have a fair balance and the success they have had. We don't need that.

[falcon83]

It was initially fun to read this post until it grew old. the long and the short of it is that Flip was once a big fan but is now getting to the age of bitching about things that old people bitch about. Good fun to read, for a while, though!

[Flipper]

Get the f**k off my lawn...and that ball you threw in my yard? Mine now bitch...

Globe...you have no clue about the scope of revenue that behemoth in Columbus and other schools like it generate. They pulled 56 million from tickets alone. Their Nike deal (15 years) was for a quarter of a BILLION dollars. That's a little higher then ours...no? They pulled $28 million in donations last year. That tournament money you speak of....I think they use that for jet fuel to visit recruits

[Flipper]

And I'm not complaining...I'm asking questions and suggesting alternatives that, to me, make more sense...

[Tech2000]

Question, when did really go topsy turvy so to speak. We know urbans contract base was 125k, was it during Brandon's time, Clawson, dino's? Can't seem to find much in the past but the given is urbans and babers as far as pay and continued with Jinks?

[FalconTurf]

It's mind over matter (if I remember correctly):
BG doesn't mind and OSU doesn't matter.

Time to stop comparing ourselves to something we can't be and shouldn't want to be. This is like Al-Mar worrying why they can't sell as many cheeseburgers as McDonalds. Stop worrying about how many we sell and start worrying about the quality of the product. There are things that you can do better for 24,000 fans who are on top of the field in attendance than for 100,000 plus in attendance and the millions who will never know what a gameday smells, sounds and looks like in person. I can hear the pads pop in BG, I can recognize the faces of cheerleaders at the end of the season and I can buy season tickets, parking and Falcon Club membership for a family of four cheaper than 1 game at Mega U.

I really don't care what the t-shirt crowd thinks in fact I question their intelligence when they ask me if I coach at BG because I have a polo on or they ask if I have a son playing for BG because I'm wearing a basketball sweatshirt. No, the BG Falcons don't have fans that wear shirts to Cedar Point, an Indians game or on a normal day, it just couldn't be.

[mcfalcons83]

Well said. I have relatives that say I know you like Bowling Green but who's your real college team you root for and I just shake my head.