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BillyLP · Post by **BillyLP** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:06 am

According to NickP from the Blade, Isaiah Johnson-Mack has transitioned from WR to DB. Interesting move, but I trust it was agreed on from all angles.

MarkL · Post by **MarkL** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:25 pm

He is 6'3. That is very tall for a corner.

jpfalcon09 · Post by **jpfalcon09** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:08 pm

Scrimmage is over. Offense was less than impressive. Heard complaints about the playbook being complicated. Tons of turnovers. Defense played well I thought, seems like there's a few playmakers on that side of the ball.

roguewarrior · Post by **roguewarrior** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:12 pm

jpfalcon09 wrote:Scrimmage is over. Offense was less than impressive. Heard complaints about the playbook being complicated. Tons of turnovers. Defense played well I thought, seems like there's a few playmakers on that side of the ball.

Didn’t see scrimmage, but do know lots of offensive starters are dinged and did not go. 2 lineman and 2 receivers out today.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:45 pm

jpfalcon09 wrote:Heard complaints about the playbook being complicated.

I hope the team can catch up to the playbook. This was always the down side of trying to run a pro-style offense, right?

roguewarrior · Post by **roguewarrior** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:53 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:
jpfalcon09 wrote:Heard complaints about the playbook being complicated.
I hope the team can catch up to the playbook. This was always the down side of trying to run a pro-style offense, right?

Every team has a difficult playbook. Part of the reason you don’t pick kids with manure for brains... JC dropouts.... recruit Florida!! Smart players with talent and heart win every time.

MarkL · Post by **MarkL** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:02 am

Scot Loeffler minced exactly zero words regarding the offense's performance yesterday.

Falconwriter · Post by **Falconwriter** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:02 am

roguewarrior wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:
jpfalcon09 wrote:Heard complaints about the playbook being complicated.
I hope the team can catch up to the playbook. This was always the down side of trying to run a pro-style offense, right?
Every team has a difficult playbook. Part of the reason you don’t pick kids with manure for brains... JC dropouts.... recruit Florida!! Smart players with talent and heart win every time.

Florida players are neither more or less smarter than players from any other state...and you can't paint guys with a broad brush (as in JC guys might not be as smart), either. I'm guessing that even the (few) returning guys we have in the upper grades may be grappling with this system, mostly because it's all new. New plays, new terminology, etc. That is why coaching turnover makes things difficult.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:25 am

I'm not going to denigrate Florida players at all...we've had some pretty good players on both sides of the ball from Florida over the past couple of decades.

roguewarrior · Post by **roguewarrior** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:55 am

Flipper wrote:I'm not going to denigrate Florida players at all...we've had some pretty good players on both sides of the ball from Florida over the past couple of decades.

Obviously there are good players in all states..... I’m talking about throwing out all standards for the sake of an “athlete”. People are obsessed with how many stars a recruit has. Thankfully these coaches are not among them, and cite character, work ethic and brains into the equation. Think Belicheck, not the Raiders....

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:38 am

Certainly you cannot sacrifice intelligence and work ethic in the name of pure athleticism and expect to succeed.

But I disagree with the notion that "every team has a difficult playbook" and if the kids aren't getting it maybe they're just not smart enough. The current wave of "offensive genius" type coaches are actually those that have largely realized how much better off you are by SIMPLIFYING the playbook. Modern football has such tight restrictions on practice time/reps/etc that you cannot hope to have these guys learning all the terminology that coaches liked to pile on to passing games in the 80s/90s. Guys like Kingsbury and Riley (and really Urban & Brandon, if you go back and read any of their old stuff) have built great offenses in large part by making things simpler. It's about finding and creating mismatches, not coming up with some 14 word playcall that dupes your own players as much as the opposition.

As to the threat of a "pro" offense, the truth is that the GOOD NFL offenses nowadays are taking more cues from the good colleges than they are from those old school "pro" styles that we are supposedly trying to implement. It's certainly a risk hiring more "old school" coaches, that they aren't as willing to bend things to fit the current game. The Saints connection to our OC is interesting. Payton has certainly embraced more modern style of offense, but I'm curious if he has embraced the simplification of reads or if he's merely had the luxury of a HoF QB making his job easier.

Offense's don't have to be complicated. Create mismatches and put your players in a position to make the decision making process simpler. I never like to hear rumors of players complaining about the difficulty of the offense. The typical fan reaction is always to say you need to find smarter players, but the reality is the job of the coaches isn't to come up with the coolest system....it's to come up with a system that can be executed to success.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:36 am

Let's not forget that the baseline for these kids is Mike Jinks...I would suspect that any playbook not written in crayon would be considered difficult compared to his

Tony4BG · Post by **Tony4BG** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:06 am

drumstix2388 wrote:According to NickP from the Blade, Isaiah Johnson-Mack has transitioned from WR to DB. Interesting move, but I trust it was agreed on from all angles.

Very interesting.

Tony4BG · Post by **Tony4BG** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:09 am

So basically both Loeffler and BVG are trying to install complex playbooks this season.

That was always the knock on BVG that his defense was too complex.

Really haven't heard that about pro style offense before but really haven't followed a team that ran it.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:26 am

Flipper wrote:Let's not forget that the baseline for these kids is Mike Jinks...I would suspect that any playbook not written in crayon would be considered difficult compared to his

Certainly. And I really have no idea exactly what sort of offense we're going to try to build here either. Didn't watch much, if any, of BC recently to know Leoffler's preferences. The Saints certainly are creative in their creation of mismatches (using Kamara extensively now, relying on Jimmy Graham previously).

I just always get a nervous tick when I hear rumblings of an offense being too complex for players. Watched way too many "Genius" OCs take over NFL teams and try to implement their system rather than trying to make things easy and work for their players.

Even if, as a coach, you think you have the greatest system in football history it has to be taylored to the players you've got on your roster RIGHT NOW, or you're all doomed to failure.

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