Defensive Line Coach to East Carolina

[Globetrotter]

But if you work for a large multi-national corporation, that isn't necessary. Personally, I have had three different "careers" where I work (accounting, credit, logistics) and held eight different jobs, all without ever leaving beautiful Findlay, OH.

But some might say -

"Since he has done eight different jobs at one place, he must not be very good. Therefore, we are not going to hire him. After all, if he were any good, someone else would have picked him up along the way."

These coaches had an opportunity to move on. You people bitch and moan about the last season or two (or about Gregg Brandon's tenure in the case of hammb, Falconboy, and Globetrotter). The fact of the matter is, the coaches and AD's who know - they are the ones hiring our staff. And they are not going to D-II, D-III,or NAIA schools

Who are the ones going to D-II, D-III and NAIA schools?

[Globetrotter]

I agree that coaches move on to better opportunities all the time. That's a given. But is it just a statistical anomaly that we lost, what, 75% of our staff? Logic tells me you would expect to turn over one or two every year.

Bingo. Unless you achieve great success. The fact that we had the worst season since I have followed BG and we lost all of those coaches cant be ignored.

[Globetrotter]

I'd probably bet that it's a combination of the two. Why does it have to be so black and white? I would imagine that some coaches got offers they couldn't refuse through networking, and some moved on to what they thought as better situations even if it was a more lateral move.

But it's so much more fun to be dicks to each other around here, let's just keep playing it's "all or nothing".

You have no idea what you are talking about. It is "nothing or all."

[Falconfreak90]

But if you work for a large multi-national corporation, that isn't necessary. Personally, I have had three different "careers" where I work (accounting, credit, logistics) and held eight different jobs, all without ever leaving beautiful Findlay, OH.

But some might say -

"Since he has done eight different jobs at one place, he must not be very good. Therefore, we are not going to hire him. After all, if he were any good, someone else would have picked him up along the way."

These coaches had an opportunity to move on. You people bitch and moan about the last season or two (or about Gregg Brandon's tenure in the case of hammb, Falconboy, and Globetrotter). The fact of the matter is, the coaches and AD's who know - they are the ones hiring our staff. And they are not going to D-II, D-III,or NAIA schools.

Lighten up folks and get a grip on reality. The grass ain't always greener elsewhere. For all those who thought Tim Beckman was a terrible DC, he got the last laugh - he left our DC position, moved into a nice coaches position at OSU, and into the DC position at OSU. Yep - he sucked.

It's obvious that Gregg Brandon has absolutely no idea as to how to coach. I mean, if he were really smart, he would hire his assistant coaches from this board.

FLIPPER - I was really hoping to see an avatar of Mr. Wrestling II.

That's certainly a possibility, but I have to ask the question again: If all of these coaches were so good here to get these great opportunites elsewhere, why were we so bad last year?

Only 10 starters returned last year. 6 were Seniors.

BG had 8 road games. Yeah, Wisky was a "home game" but it wasn't.

We lost all the firepower from a kick ass offense...Jacobs, Sharon, Sanders, Pope, Lane, Warren...that was a hell of a lot of offense to replace overnight.

We had 27 freshman on the two deep roster.

Our road games in 06...Wisky, OSU, CMU (MAC Champ), OH (East Champ), Akron (2005 MAC Champ) and tsun (where we haven't won since Truman was President ) We won one of those games. Losing to Temple was as bad as it gets.

These are just a few reasons I see why we struggled to a 4-8 record last year. Did Coach B make mistakes? Yeah. Things need corrected for a successful 07 campaign. We have work to do, no doubt.

What I'm tired of is the negative outlook about our program. If we stumble thru another season or two, then I think a serious review of the program is necessary, top to bottom. In this day and age, ya gotta win. The coaches know this and they're not stupid as some here believe.

With the Sebo Center opening, the new field turf, lots of promising young talent and a favorable MAC schedule, I feel this season will be a success. We may not beat Minny, MSU or Boston College...but there isn't a team in the MAC we cannot beat. And I still think we'll steal one in East Lansing.

Last year, BG finished 4th in the MAC in both total offense and total defense. As we all know, ST's and the Big Play killed us. BG was 14th in the NCAA in rushing per game at 176 pg. Most of the players are back for 07, 16 starters.

Maybe I'm too optimistic...I can see why folks would say that. We'll see what happens in 88 days...

GO FALCONS!!!

[Globetrotter]

But if you work for a large multi-national corporation, that isn't necessary. Personally, I have had three different "careers" where I work (accounting, credit, logistics) and held eight different jobs, all without ever leaving beautiful Findlay, OH.

But some might say -

"Since he has done eight different jobs at one place, he must not be very good. Therefore, we are not going to hire him. After all, if he were any good, someone else would have picked him up along the way."

These coaches had an opportunity to move on. You people bitch and moan about the last season or two (or about Gregg Brandon's tenure in the case of hammb, Falconboy, and Globetrotter). The fact of the matter is, the coaches and AD's who know - they are the ones hiring our staff. And they are not going to D-II, D-III,or NAIA schools.

Lighten up folks and get a grip on reality. The grass ain't always greener elsewhere. For all those who thought Tim Beckman was a terrible DC, he got the last laugh - he left our DC position, moved into a nice coaches position at OSU, and into the DC position at OSU. Yep - he sucked.

It's obvious that Gregg Brandon has absolutely no idea as to how to coach. I mean, if he were really smart, he would hire his assistant coaches from this board.

FLIPPER - I was really hoping to see an avatar of Mr. Wrestling II.

That's certainly a possibility, but I have to ask the question again: If all of these coaches were so good here to get these great opportunites elsewhere, why were we so bad last year?

Only 10 starters returned last year. 6 were Seniors.

BG had 8 road games. Yeah, Wisky was a "home game" but it wasn't.

We lost all the firepower from a kick ass offense...Jacobs, Sharon, Sanders, Pope, Lane, Warren...that was a hell of a lot of offense to replace overnight.

We had 27 freshman on the two deep roster.

Our road games in 06...Wisky, OSU, CMU (MAC Champ), OH (East Champ), Akron (2005 MAC Champ) and tsun (where we haven't won since Truman was President ) We won one of those games. Losing to Temple was as bad as it gets.

These are just a few reasons I see why we struggled to a 4-8 record last year. Did Coach B make mistakes? Yeah. Things need corrected for a successful 07 campaign. We have work to do, no doubt.

What I'm tired of is the negative outlook about our program. If we stumble thru another season or two, then I think a serious review of the program is necessary, top to bottom. In this day and age, ya gotta win. The coaches know this and they're not stupid as some here believe.

With the Sebo Center opening, the new field turf, lots of promising young talent and a favorable MAC schedule, I feel this season will be a success. We may not beat Minny, MSU or Boston College...but there isn't a team in the MAC we cannot beat. And I still think we'll steal one in East Lansing.

Last year, BG finished 4th in the MAC in both total offense and total defense. As we all know, ST's and the Big Play killed us. BG was 14th in the NCAA in rushing per game at 176 pg. Most of the players are back for 07, 16 starters.

Maybe I'm too optimistic...I can see why folks would say that. We'll see what happens in 88 days...

GO FALCONS!!!

We lost to Temple.

[Flipper]

We beat Ohio...

If we are to assume that you're correct and attribute the departure of assistant coaches to poor performance and/or a bad HC, how do you excplain the numerous departures from Western Michigan and Norhtern Illinois?

I've brought both of those programs up numerous times in this thread, but none of the Brandon detractors seem interested in addressing it. You just want to cling to your dogmatic belief that everything that coul dpossibly be construed as a negative that happens within BG footbal is entirely the fault of Gregg Brandon. The guys who left all recieved promotions?...nope, it's Brandon's fault. They all got more $$ (we pay our coaches peanuts)?, nope Brandon made them leave....

[hammb]

Personally, I'm thrilled they all left.

We'll get a better idea of whether it was the assistants holding us down or if it's the HMFIC.

Things were getting crappy within this program and change was needed. I'm glad they got higher paying jobs or promotions or whatever, but at the same time I'm happy for the change. The status quo was starting to suck royally.

New ideas are a good thing. I do wish we would've went outside the program to fill some of the top jobs, but I wasn't asked. I don't like blind promotion from within. It promotes the Peter Principle too much, IMO.

Either way we've got some new faces here, and I think that's a good thing. I'm sure there were a multitude of factors involved. Heck for all we know Brandon told them to find other jobs because he was unhappy with their performance. Regardless of the reason for their departures, I'm quite happy that we've made some changes.

[Warthog]

We beat Ohio...

Seriously, you can't be holding up a win over Ohio as something to hang a season on, can you?

If we are to assume that you're correct and attribute the departure of assistant coaches to poor performance and/or a bad HC, how do you excplain the numerous departures from Western Michigan and Norhtern Illinois?

Most of us are not close to the NIU or WMU situations to try and attempt to explain what is going on with those programs.

You just want to cling to your dogmatic belief that everything that coul dpossibly be construed as a negative that happens within BG footbal is entirely the fault of Gregg Brandon. The guys who left all recieved promotions?...nope, it's Brandon's fault. They all got more $$ (we pay our coaches peanuts)?, nope Brandon made them leave....

I am not disputing the fact that most of the coaches moved on to higher paying jobs. Why are you not willing to consider other factors in what motivates people to change jobs? People happy with their jobs are not out looking for new jobs. People don't leave a job unless they are going to make more money. Most people will stick it out despite a horrible environment if the alternative is a lower paying job. Once a higher paying opportunity arises, they pounce.

I am not saying that I think there was something going on in the program that caused all these coaches to leave. But I am also open-minded enough to consider it a possibilty given the downward trend of the program the last four years.

[Flipper]

C'mon..are you "close enough" to the coaches who departed BG to shed any light on why they left? If so, please discuss....

People who are happy in their jobs do consider other employment. People who wish to move up in a highly competitive field like coaching most certainly would look to move up the food chain regardless of how "happy" they are.

It's not that I'm unwilling to consider some of the factors you conspiracists have raised , it's just that I prefer to focus on the simpler, more logical possibilities

[JoeFalcon]

We're starting to go in circles now. (I was just about to type something about college football coaching being different from other professions, but I wrote that yesterday )

Gregg Brandon's record is 30-20 as a head coach and he was the assistant head coach/offensive coordinator on a BG staff that went 17-6. However, going 4-8 last year stunk. The fact that we got an infusion of new ideas from some new coaches seems to strike a happy medium.

I agree with Flipper on this. If you're perputually searching for negativity and always assume the worst, you'll probably view every occurance out of that prism and interpret actions and motives exclusively around that perception.

[Warthog]

C'mon..are you "close enough" to the coaches who departed BG to shed any light on why they left?

No, I am not. Never claimed to be either.

It's not that I'm unwilling to consider some of the factors you conspiracists have raised , it's just that I prefer to focus on the simpler, more logical possibilities

OK, check out this list of reasons why people change jobs: http://www.hermangroup.com/retentioncon ... asons.html
1. It doesn't feel good around here

I wouldn't call the possibility that these coaches were no longer happy here a conspiracy.

Again, I don't know if they were unhappy or not, just saying it is a possiblity that you keep dismissing as illogical.

[Warthog]

Gregg Brandon's record is 30-20 as a head coach and he was the assistant head coach/offensive coordinator on a BG staff that went 17-6. However, going 4-8 last year stunk.

And five years ago I had more hair and weighed 20 pounds less. But every 22 year old blonde co-ed still thinks I'm hot because I once was, right?

[Flipper]

C'mon..are you "close enough" to the coaches who departed BG to shed any light on why they left?

No, I am not. Never claimed to be either.

But you indicated that not being close to the situation disqualified you from commenting on NIU or WMU. Why doesn't that apply to BG as well

I'm not dismissing the notion that anyone left because they were unhappy. I''m simply poinitng out that there are a myriad of reasons that make more sense than to just take the knee jerk "Brandon bad, we suck"
tack...

[Warthog]

C'mon..are you "close enough" to the coaches who departed BG to shed any light on why they left?

No, I am not. Never claimed to be either.

But you indicated that not being close to the situation disqualified you from commenting on NIU or WMU. Why doesn't that apply to BG as well

By close, I meant I am a fan of BG, watch the games, follow the team, read messages boards, etc. I don't do those things for Western or Northern so I don't have any clue as to what is goin on there

I'm not dismissing the notion that anyone left because they were unhappy. I''m simply poinitng out that there are a myriad of reasons that make more sense than to just take the knee jerk "Brandon bad, we suck"
tack...

And I am not dismissing the fact that these guys all left for better opportunites. But my lack of faith in Coach Brandon leads me to give more credance to the "rats leaving a sinking ship" theory. Hope I'm wrong though and we turn things around this year.

[Falconfreak90]

But if you work for a large multi-national corporation, that isn't necessary. Personally, I have had three different "careers" where I work (accounting, credit, logistics) and held eight different jobs, all without ever leaving beautiful Findlay, OH.

But some might say -

"Since he has done eight different jobs at one place, he must not be very good. Therefore, we are not going to hire him. After all, if he were any good, someone else would have picked him up along the way."

These coaches had an opportunity to move on. You people bitch and moan about the last season or two (or about Gregg Brandon's tenure in the case of hammb, Falconboy, and Globetrotter). The fact of the matter is, the coaches and AD's who know - they are the ones hiring our staff. And they are not going to D-II, D-III,or NAIA schools.

Lighten up folks and get a grip on reality. The grass ain't always greener elsewhere. For all those who thought Tim Beckman was a terrible DC, he got the last laugh - he left our DC position, moved into a nice coaches position at OSU, and into the DC position at OSU. Yep - he sucked.

It's obvious that Gregg Brandon has absolutely no idea as to how to coach. I mean, if he were really smart, he would hire his assistant coaches from this board.

FLIPPER - I was really hoping to see an avatar of Mr. Wrestling II.

That's certainly a possibility, but I have to ask the question again: If all of these coaches were so good here to get these great opportunites elsewhere, why were we so bad last year?

Only 10 starters returned last year. 6 were Seniors.

BG had 8 road games. Yeah, Wisky was a "home game" but it wasn't.

We lost all the firepower from a kick ass offense...Jacobs, Sharon, Sanders, Pope, Lane, Warren...that was a hell of a lot of offense to replace overnight.

We had 27 freshman on the two deep roster.

Our road games in 06...Wisky, OSU, CMU (MAC Champ), OH (East Champ), Akron (2005 MAC Champ) and tsun (where we haven't won since Truman was President ) We won one of those games. Losing to Temple was as bad as it gets.

These are just a few reasons I see why we struggled to a 4-8 record last year. Did Coach B make mistakes? Yeah. Things need corrected for a successful 07 campaign. We have work to do, no doubt.

What I'm tired of is the negative outlook about our program. If we stumble thru another season or two, then I think a serious review of the program is necessary, top to bottom. In this day and age, ya gotta win. The coaches know this and they're not stupid as some here believe.

With the Sebo Center opening, the new field turf, lots of promising young talent and a favorable MAC schedule, I feel this season will be a success. We may not beat Minny, MSU or Boston College...but there isn't a team in the MAC we cannot beat. And I still think we'll steal one in East Lansing.

Last year, BG finished 4th in the MAC in both total offense and total defense. As we all know, ST's and the Big Play killed us. BG was 14th in the NCAA in rushing per game at 176 pg. Most of the players are back for 07, 16 starters.

Maybe I'm too optimistic...I can see why folks would say that. We'll see what happens in 88 days...

GO FALCONS!!!

We lost to Temple.

Yes, I know...and I mentioned that in the road games we played.