Blade Reports Brandon Extension Likely

Zom · Post by **Zom** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:05 pm

I just cannot wait to find out what happens. I wonder when we will find out.

The Niz · Post by **The Niz** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:06 pm

So really, you had no idea what we were going to say

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:22 pm

The Niz wrote:So really, you had no idea what we were going to say

Sorry I couldn't resist.

There is an argument where I would not have any thing to back it up with and lots of circular reasoning. I know what you would say but if I told you what you would say then you wouldnt say it. Prove it!

bobio · Post by **bobio** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:19 pm

Why don't we just end the football program and concentrate on academics instead? Makes as much sense as keeping Brandon another 3-5 years.

zeket10 · Post by **zeket10** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:22 pm

Hope youre kidding

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:11 pm

No Globetrotter, I haven't spent much time pondering the notion of not offering GB an extension...I don't need to because it's simply a poor idea.

You've consistently failed to acknowledge or even address the impact that going into a season with a lame duck coach would have on the players, the assitant coaches and recruiting beyond next year. The team cloed out the regular season on a positive note...the pieces are in palce to build on that success and you want to greatly diminish the chances of that success occuring for no logical reason.

You have yet to explain why you think GB is responsible for our less than stellar attendance...you mentioned that Urban Meyer went to the dorms and other sporting events. During his tenure here I've seen Brandon, his assistants and his players at men's and women's basetball games and hockey games...on numerous occasions. One of the great things about BGSU is the manner in which our coaches and student athletes support the other programs. I honestly think you don't have the slightest idea what GB has or hasn't done to improve attendance, you're simply using that issue as a reason to be critical.

You made an allegation that he does not relate well to his players...what can you cite to support that assertion other than a few posts from Mark Ellis? Looking at the way the team closed out the year, I'd have to say that the performance on the field suggests otherwise. Kids like Nick Toresso and others have highlighted the way the team seems to function like a family as a reason to come here. Do you honestly think they'd make statements like that if there was the level of discord you implied?

I agree that GB probably referenced last year's kickers (indirectly, I might add) a time or two too frequently, but I don't see that as being a justification for letting him twist as a lame duck.

Myself and others have pointed to the overall record GB has put up here, not just this year but in season's past and the only response you can come up with is that "suppose we went 2-2" nonsense...here''s a better one.. If Gregg Brandon had been invovled in the sale of weapons grade plutonium to the government of Iran, we would not offer him a contract extension. We are therefore offeringhim a contract extension because he did not attempt to sell weapons grade plutonium to the government of Iran.

You have a bad habit of labeling criticism of your ideas as name calling or a personal attack. If you truly are 27 years old I would hope that you will soon learn to recognize the difference in the two or at least grow a tad thicker skin....

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:57 pm

Flipper wrote:No Globetrotter, I haven't spent much time pondering the notion of not offering GB an extension...I don't need to because it's simply a poor idea.

You've consistently failed to acknowledge or even address the impact that going into a season with a lame duck coach would have on the players, the assitant coaches and recruiting beyond next year. The team cloed out the regular season on a positive note...the pieces are in palce to build on that success and you want to greatly diminish the chances of that success occuring for no logical reason.

Why are you assuming that we will greatly diminish the chances of that success? If the team and the players are fully behind the coach and want him back maybe they will play even harder to get that done. No logical reason? The logical reason is that he was inconsistent and has not earned it. What if he has a horrible year next year? Then we need to buy him out with our very limited resources....money that could be better used elsewhere. A buyout is wasting money on nothing. Didnt we just let Dakiches contract run out? That worked out ok for the BBAll program

You have yet to explain why you think GB is responsible for our less than stellar attendance...you mentioned that Urban Meyer went to the dorms and other sporting events. During his tenure here I've seen Brandon, his assistants and his players at men's and women's basetball games and hockey games...on numerous occasions. One of the great things about BGSU is the manner in which our coaches and student athletes support the other programs. I honestly think you don't have the slightest idea what GB has or hasn't done to improve attendance, you're simply using that issue as a reason to be critical.

I have yet to explain that because that has never been my contention. I don't think GB is responsible for our less than stellar attendance. it is not his fault. What I said was that he is the face of the program and when there is a problem with the program, any problem, he needs to be front and center trying to fix that. On this issue I don't think that Brandon has been visible enough. Nothing comparable to Urban. Gregg Brandon is the CEO of our football program. If there is anything wrong with that program it falls on him

You made an allegation that he does not relate well to his players...what can you cite to support that assertion other than a few posts from Mark Ellis? Looking at the way the team closed out the year, I'd have to say that the performance on the field suggests otherwise. Kids like Nick Toresso and others have highlighted the way the team seems to function like a family as a reason to come here. Do you honestly think they'd make statements like that if there was the level of discord you implied?

I put a caveat to that assertion but I will still go forward here. I don't see how Nick Toresso saying the team is like a family and Brandon not relating well to players is mutually exclusive. Many places where I have worked my unit or my coworkers and I were like a family. That relationship had nothing to do with how my boss related to me. At times we even related better and it was more like a family because of a poor relationship with the boss and how we vented to each other about our shared problems. Also, what kinds of statements do you expect from players to the media. Most won't highlight something negative if it was apparent

I agree that GB probably referenced last year's kickers (indirectly, I might add) a time or two too frequently, but I don't see that as being a justification for letting him twist as a lame duck.

I think it could just be evidence of how he relates to players. Would you want to play for someone who might publicly put the blame on you?

Myself and others have pointed to the overall record GB has put up here, not just this year but in season's past and the only response you can come up with is that "suppose we went 2-2" nonsense...here''s a better one.. If Gregg Brandon had been invovled in the sale of weapons grade plutonium to the government of Iran, we would not offer him a contract extension. We are therefore offeringhim a contract extension because he did not attempt to sell weapons grade plutonium to the government of Iran.

Again absurd comparisons that advance us nowhere yet you have not answered the question. Week 8 there was no contract extension. Week 12 there is one. What would happen if he had only won two of those games. Was the 4 game winning streak and a bowl berth the only thing that would have changed the thinking so abruptly?

You have a bad habit of labeling criticism of your ideas as name calling or a personal attack. If you truly are 27 years old I would hope that you will soon learn to recognize the difference in the two or at least grow a tad thicker skin....

You have a bad habit of name calling and personally attacking and thinking it is something that is an ok thing to do. "I've got to be honest with you, the notion that we'd let a HC with a winning record go into a lame duck season without offering him an extension is just about the dumbest idea I've heard advanced on this board...no offense.." NO OFFENSE. you cant just be an azzhole and then type no offense. The point you are making is the stupidest thing I have ever read, NO OFFENSE. I absolutely recognize the difference between the two. What you do is name calling and a personal attack, What HammB does is criticism of ideas.

Heres a question for you. Had 87 or HammB typed exactly what I had written would you have responded in a similar way? (And dont type that they would not have typed that, I get that, ha, thats a funny joke) I am just curious if you will admit it even though I know the answer.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:48 am

I've routinely called hammb insane...I've simply called your ideas dumb.

they are dumb...dumb dumb dumb...really really dumb. I've spent the better part of the day explaining to why they are dumb, others have spent their time and effort telling yo they are dumb but you do not listen.

Attendance is poor because Brandon isn't visible enough? You don't even bother to explain what you think that means or how you would suggest he fix it.... that's really dumb.

Asking a team to play under a lame duck coach would be motivation rather than a distraction? That's REALLY dumb..yeah, that did wonders for the men's basketball team during MAC play, right?

The kids who have stayed and won here referring to the team as a family is not proof that the coach relates to his players, but negative comments from a parent of a kid who left is a sign of a coach who doesn't relate well to his players? dumb.

Week eight there was no contract extension?????....from who? Us? We don't hire and fire anyone...you know that, right? The AD made that decision based on the entire season and the overall direction of the program. You and only you want to frame this issue using snapshots of portions of the season...that is DUMB.

I think I have wasted enough time and energy on this topic for today...you may continue to natter on and whine about what a terrible person I am...I'm going to bed to get my completely superflous beauty sleep.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:50 am

Flipper wrote:
You have a bad habit of labeling criticism of your ideas as name calling or a personal attack. If you truly are 27 years old I would hope that you will soon learn to recognize the difference in the two or at least grow a tad thicker skin....

Flipper, you forgot to add "...or please just don't vote in any election, at any level."

FlyingBurrito4 · Post by **FlyingBurrito4** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:14 am

Extension for Brandon a good idea

by Colin Wilson in Sports Commentary

In college football, the coaching carousel can get brutally confusing. Sometimes when a team has a coach who is going into the last year of his contract, things can get dicey with recruiting and overall performance. Since Gregg Brandon is headed into the last season of his contract, an extension is in order.

http://www.bgnews.com/news/2007/12/10/S ... 0540.shtml

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:19 am

GT and bobio are full of it.

Brandon deserves at least a 2 year extension yesterday. He proved all the naysayers wrong. He rebounded nicely with an 8-4 mark and bowl bid....3rd in his first 5 years. Say what you want about the schedule but that is the hand we're dealt...SEVEN road games against 5 home this season. We haven't had as many home games as away since 2003...we play more on the road yet the man is 38-23 in his 5 years. His winning % is almost .623. The MAC Title has eluded us...we NEED to get that trophy. Other than that, Coach B is the man to run the show at this time. I think the assistants he hired for this year were solid.

Anyone thinking we need to send him packing now has a serious addiction to crystal meth.

GO FALCONS!! BEAT TULSA

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:33 am

templefootballfan wrote:you get a real good answer next yr on Brandon, next yr non-conf games are Pitt, VT, Wym, Boise & Minn at home.

Almost. BG is @Pitt, Boise State and Wyoming. We host Minnesota. I like that schedule quite a bit....winnnable games against very good competition. Boise will be a load...they always are. Pitt will be better and WY is a long way to travel a week after flying to Boise. Personally, I think we should kick the crap outta Minnesota.

But that is a good non conf slate...too bad we couldn't have 2 of them at Perry Stadium.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:51 am

Flipper wrote:I've routinely called hammb insane...I've simply called your ideas dumb.

they are dumb...dumb dumb dumb...really really dumb. I've spent the better part of the day explaining to why they are dumb, others have spent their time and effort telling yo they are dumb but you do not listen.

Attendance is poor because Brandon isn't visible enough? You don't even bother to explain what you think that means or how you would suggest he fix it.... that's really dumb.

Asking a team to play under a lame duck coach would be motivation rather than a distraction? That's REALLY dumb..yeah, that did wonders for the men's basketball team during MAC play, right?

The kids who have stayed and won here referring to the team as a family is not proof that the coach relates to his players, but negative comments from a parent of a kid who left is a sign of a coach who doesn't relate well to his players? dumb.

Week eight there was no contract extension?????....from who? Us? We don't hire and fire anyone...you know that, right? The AD made that decision based on the entire season and the overall direction of the program. You and only you want to frame this issue using snapshots of portions of the season...that is DUMB.

I think I have wasted enough time and energy on this topic for today...you may continue to natter on and whine about what a terrible person I am...I'm going to bed to get my completely superflous beauty sleep.

You keep getting answers you are not accepting.

Attendance: This is a major issue, Brandon is the CEO of falcon football, I would like to see him be more visible like Urban Meyer was in order to try to right that ship.

Lame duck coach: I understand the merits here, but if they like the coach then they will play their guts out to make sure he is back. The point you were making prior is that recruiting would be hurt for 2009. That is why I brought basketball into the mix. I would say recruiting was not hurt at all because of the new coach. Basketball and Football are different animals but it is the same type of scenario, and we likely ended up with better players with the new coach coming in.

The family: Ellis dad was anti, other parents have said that their sons might even transfer, etc. These were directly at the coach. Saying it is a family you have to draw a link to the coach. Had Torresso said I love coach Brandon he relates to us like a father and it is like a family here. Thats a different kind of statement. Each time I have said that I have qualified it with I dont know what the real relationship is. I am sure that there are countless voices from insiders that could give us the real scoop. When Brandon was named coach you had mentioned that the players made the effort to get them in that position. Is such a movement afoot now to get him an extension?

Extension: The question was how could the sentiment switch so abruptly in 4 weeks. Week 8 the sentiment was that the board wanted him gone. Week 12 an extension is a great idea.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:20 pm

Globetrotter wrote:[

You keep getting answers you are not accepting.

Attendance: This is a major issue, Brandon is the CEO of falcon football, I would like to see him be more visible like Urban Meyer was in order to try to right that ship.

This is not an answer. Attendance doesn't even seem to be student issue, so how does going to the dorms increase attendance (which seems to be the only idea you have thrown out there)? If you think this will really help, how many times should he go to each dorm , once at the start of the semester or should he go to every dorm and talk for 30 minutes before each home game. I think in reality, the students seem to do a pretty good job attending games.

Several people have stated that Brandon and players are out at other sporting events. In my opinion that is better then going to the dorms, because now he can interact with students and alumni/fans. In an effort to get more fans interested, the Athletic Department did the Barnstorming tour last summer. Brandon was a part of this. You don't think going to 5 or more events across Northeast OH to try to connect with fans is doing enough to be visible?

Personally I'd rather him concentrate on wining games once the season starts. Let marketing deal with attendance.

Pete Segaard · Post by **Pete Segaard** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:21 pm

Week twelve = final four wins plus bonus 37-10 win over toledo. That is what the people I know wanted to see out of the 2007 season, now for my Christmas wish, a win in Mobile.