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hammb wrote:Face it, the Browns QB situation is awful. I'd be fairly surprised if they get through this draft without a QB. It may not be in the first, but I expect them to take one at some point.

Wouldn't you rather use a good pick on an offensive lineman than pick a QB? Look at the facts, we just signed Dilfer..JH is gonna be a star hopefully for C-Town, and McCown is a good backup when needed. To me that's a good lineup in the QB area. I really don't see them picking a quarterback at all in the draft; the three they already have are good and with a good O-Line, one of them will be even better. Anyone want to take a stab at who the Browns' QB will be? :?:
The Browns finally signed a few OL starters in FA this year. That will allow them to look elsewhere early in the draft. I expect them to take an OL in the 3rd-5th range somewhere. Once you get a good foundation for OL you can usually keep that strong by drafting in the middle rounds and letting them develop into starters. If you want an elite tackle you must take them in the first or second, but interior linemen can easily be found in the middle rounds. There really are no elite OTs this year, so I don't see the Browns taking one.

Dilfer will be starting this year, but I don't expect much from him beyond the 2006 season. He's getting up there, and he was never a superstar in his prime. He also hasn't played a full season in a number of years, so who knows what we'll get this season even. I like J5 and think he can become a starting QB, but I'm also realistic to know that the NFL scouts slotted him into the 6th round for a reason. He's small by NFL QB standards, and has accuracy issues, among other things. The potential is there, but you cannot bet the future of the franchise on it. Right now the Browns have a veteran who they're unsure how long he'll last, a 4th rounder who floundered in his first opportunity, but still has potential, and a 6th rounder who has potential, but has yet to play. Savage did draft Harris, so obviously he must be high on him. McCown, OTOH, was brought in by Butch, so you can almost guarantee he'll end up as awful :(

With the QB situation as it is, I would not be surprised at all if they took a QB sometime Saturday. If they don't take one Saturday, they probably won't take one Sunday as they've already got two young, late rounders on their roster. Unless somebody drops who they really like.

I'm not a big Jason Campbell fan at all though. For 3 years he was a talented guy who never put it together. He finally had one good season his senior year. I generally try to avoid those types of players. Early indications are that Washington was targeting Campbell when they traded up into the 25 pick. Apparently when that info leaked they started to conduct an internal investigation as to who was spilling that info. You don't do that unless there is something to the rumor. I'm still not 100% convinced, that's awfully high for a guy of his ability.

Should be an interesting draft day, as always.
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campbell had 4 OC's in 4 years. that's got to be hard on any player, let alone a QB constantly learning new terminology. also, he was able to hit the out routes and the seam passes that equate to the NFL. i think campbell is a good pick for washington.

i could really see 4 QBs going in the first round. obviously the big two and campbell. but i can't see GB passing up on a QB to replace favre. if you wait until GB's second pick, you're looking at a david greene or adrian mcphearson.

i wouldn't be surprised to see frye join campbell, smith and rogers in the first round.
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I wouldn't be shocked to see all 4 of them go in the first either, but I don't expect it.

You are correct about the 4 OC's, and that definitely could play a part in his struggles. My impression was that he never lived up to his own hype, but he's definitely got the physical tools. He wouldn't shock me if he were great, I'm just leery of guys who struggle in college, but have the physical tools. That said, its not uncommon for those guys to play well in the NFL, so who knows.
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:unlimited potential and a dollar can get you a mcdonalds double cheesburger. Name a stud NFL wideout that didn't play wideout in college at all. Antwaan randle el doesn't count.
Ronald Curry of Oakland. He played QB at North Carolina. Point Guard too.

Hines Ward.
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kslates wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:unlimited potential and a dollar can get you a mcdonalds double cheesburger. Name a stud NFL wideout that didn't play wideout in college at all. Antwaan randle el doesn't count.
Ronald Curry of Oakland. He played QB at North Carolina. Point Guard too.

Hines Ward.
Drew Bennett played WR sparingly.
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Does Gates count?
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Going back about 30 years, but Dennis Franklin played QB at Michigan and went on to have a brief career as a WR with the Lions.

Nolan Cromwell played QB for ...I think Kansas State and then became an all pro safety with the Rams
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curry and bennett aren't studs, gates isn't a wide receiver although he might as well be, and hines ward played a bunch of wr at georgia. FWIW for every curry and gates you get 10 woody dantzlers and eric crouches. I'm not saying Jones won't be a servicable something in the NFL. He's just not worthy of a number 1 pick. You can survive in the NFL if you excel at one thing. What does Jones excel at besides being big fast and strong like everyone else in the NFL? The only teams that should consider him are teams like philly, ne, and pittsburgh drafting for depth. If you need a wide receiver, draft one instead of a kid that everybody thinks might be kind of awesome at something he's never done before because he has good combine numbers. And golfer, my love for J5 aside, the browns may have the worst overall group of quarterbacks in the NFL. McCown is TERRIBLE, Dilfer is decent but has more than topped out as a qb, and josh is a project with reasonable potential.
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:curry and bennett aren't studs, gates isn't a wide receiver although he might as well be, and hines ward played a bunch of wr at georgia. FWIW for every curry and gates you get 10 woody dantzlers and eric crouches. I'm not saying Jones won't be a servicable something in the NFL. He's just not worthy of a number 1 pick. You can survive in the NFL if you excel at one thing. What does Jones excel at besides being big fast and strong like everyone else in the NFL? The only teams that should consider him are teams like philly, ne, and pittsburgh drafting for depth. If you need a wide receiver, draft one instead of a kid that everybody thinks might be kind of awesome at something he's never done before because he has good combine numbers. And golfer, my love for J5 aside, the browns may have the worst overall group of quarterbacks in the NFL. McCown is TERRIBLE, Dilfer is decent but has more than topped out as a qb, and josh is a project with reasonable potential.
I would say that Curry and Bennett are pretty damn good. They aren't studs yet but they will be
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J4H:

My thinking on Jones is similar to yours. I have heard some personnel men quoted as saying he's got great body control and some of the best hands in the draft. He still has to learn how to use his abilities to get open and run crisp routes, but the upside is there.

I wouldn't use a #1 on him, but my team is in disarray and has too many holes. However, if you're Philly where you basically are deep as hell, why not take a chance on the guy with the high ceiling, even though its more than likely he won't end up great.

I could see him going to one of those teams late in the first round, but I don't see him going to the teams in the top of the 2nd (except Philly, of course), because most of those teams have too many needs to gamble.

Agreed as well RE: the Browns QB situation...its UGLY. Take out our mutual love of Harris, and now look at it...UGH!
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hammb wrote:J4H:
I could see him going to one of those teams late in the first round, but I don't see him going to the teams in the top of the 2nd (except Philly, of course), because most of those teams have too many needs to gamble.
I think Philly will take him at #35
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jones will be a good WR

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he's 6' 6 1/2" and around 240 lbs. and he has good speed on top of that size (4.37 40, that's amazing for a guy his size). if i'm philly or pitt, i would take him in a heartbeat unless clayton is still available. i think jones has the potential to become a very good NFL WR. he's also another one of those two sport athletes as he played forward on the arkansas basketball team the past couple of years.

NE has a few needs after a few departures this offseason, so i don't know that they'll be drafting any type of project, even one with a high likelyhood of success.
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UK Peregrine wrote:Paul Brown and the Bengals are on record as saying it would be a cold day in hell when he drafts a BG player, as long as the Falcons have the same colors as the Cleveland Browns. Then it was asked how about a cold day this late in April and he said sure but it'll never happen. Now it looks like it's may snow up your way, so I think its a sign that the Bengals will in fact draft Scott. Just my two cents...
Well even though it's snowing here in April the Bengals still didn't pick Scott they picked up Eric Ghiacivc from Central Michigan.
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Cinci takes another Central Mich. O-lineman????

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I guess that answers the question of whether the Cinci will draft Scott , cuz there's no need to draft another lineman after getting 2 and from C-Michigan no less. Weird , how are two O-lineman from C-Michigan are drafted higher than Scott. Central has been terrible!!!!! What gives???
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Remember, we are more of a pass oriented offense where Central is more run oriented but can pass when they need to. Every year those two have started they have had a 1000 yd. rusher. I would much rather have a good run blocker and a marginal pass protecter in a NFL offense. In Marvin we trust.

p.s. I'm really liking the Bengals draft so far.
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