Seen enough to decide

[Flipper]

Loeffler is to Michigan as Fickell is to Ohio State. It is the dream job. But not the only big job to consider. I'm really hoping some day Loeffler is a head coach at a bigger program because that means he did well here.

The notion of a MAC coach staying forever is not really a great notion because that means he's not good enough to get a better job but too good to get rid of. That is what I was afraid Mike Jinks was when we hired him. I overestimated.

But hey ... we could be stuck paying a coach a million plus who does not deliver championships and won't get hired away.

I think it's going to be interesting to see how the transfer portal plays into coaching movements. Not only are coaches looking for the next big job, but players can now look for the next big opportunity. Loeffler may have had the intentions of building the program, and sustaining that success for a couple years longer than most would (Meyer, Babers, etc) in hopes of being available for that dream job. Transfer portal changes that. Bring kids in, develop them for 2 years, they become a standout and hit the portal for a bigger payday. That is going to make the sustainability extremely difficult.

Mel Tucker took on something like 15 transfers at MSU...turned them into a top 10 team (at the half way point) and now there's rumors that LSU will be after him. So yeah..learning how to use the portal will be a huge factor in deciding a coach's present and future

[hammb]

Sustainability in the MAC was always an unattainable goal. All MAC football programs are only as good as their current coaching. None of them (save maybe Toledo) pay enough to actually keep a worthwhile coach. And none of these programs come with enough prestige to truly hold onto all their premium talent. The new transfer rules make sustaining MAC success even more difficult, but at the same time should make turning things around quicker far easier.

As for Loeffler I'd fire him right now if somebody had money. I'd have fired him last year if somebody had money. I wouldn't have granted him an interview in the first place, and sure as hell would not have HIRED him. Unfortunately BG football can barely justify its own existence, and we sure as hell cannot afford to keep eating coach salaries with buyouts. The hope when we move on from Loeffler is that he still has enough buddies out there that can do him a solid and cover a good chunk of his owed salary. Heck, I'd almost keep an eye on his past contacts and if any of them gets a new HC gig this year I'd use that as an opportunity to can him now in the hopes he'll end up as an OC somewhere and save us the offset bucks. I think there's a good shot he lands another job if he still wants to work...the nepotism is strong with this one.

Next year's goal for me to want him around? 10 wins, MAC championship. This conference is far too shitty for me to be fooled by some BS lucky 5-6 win season. Show you woke up from your 20 year slumber and learned how to actually coach or GTFO.

[roguewarrior]

I went with 6 wins, but there is merit to your 10 wins. Considering that we could, and some think should, have 5 wins right now….. No one is proven to be a juggernaut nor looks to be next year. He also has the historically unique opportunity to bring in anyone off the street he can, locker room be damned…. Maybe 6 is too low a bar?

[jpfalcon09]

I went with 6 wins, but there is merit to your 10 wins. Considering that we could, and some think should, have 5 wins right now….. No one is proven to be a juggernaut nor looks to be next year. He also has the historically unique opportunity to bring in anyone off the street he can, locker room be damned…. Maybe 6 is too low a bar?

Ten wins implies you either run the table in the MAC or you pick off two of UCLA, Miss St., and Marshall. Even in the years with recent MAC championships, the team still lost conference games. Winning in Pac-12 or SEC country will be a very big ask. I think that's an unreasonable and honestly unattainable situation for next year. Give me bowl eligibility and call it a day.

[roguewarrior]

I went with 6 wins, but there is merit to your 10 wins. Considering that we could, and some think should, have 5 wins right now….. No one is proven to be a juggernaut nor looks to be next year. He also has the historically unique opportunity to bring in anyone off the street he can, locker room be damned…. Maybe 6 is too low a bar?

Ten wins implies you either run the table in the MAC or you pick off two of UCLA, Miss St., and Marshall. Even in the years with recent MAC championships, the team still lost conference games. Winning in Pac-12 or SEC country will be a very big ask. I think that's an unreasonable and honestly unattainable situation for next year. Give me bowl eligibility and call it a day.

Not debating it , just talking here… is it unattainable given the portal opportunities ? He could bring in an entire o-line. How weak is the MAC now vs. historically?

[Tony4BG]

How many more losses acceptable for you Loeffler supporters?

[Flipper]

Hey...he sleeps in his office sometimes. That's worth 5 losses right there

[MarkL]

BG is not winning 10 games next year and Loeffler is not getting canned for winning 9. That's fantasy right there.

The goal is to be competitive. I'd say that means winning record in conference play. Good and attainable goal, and sets the team up for immediate future success.

The last time we had a winning record in conference play? 2015. That's just nuts.

[jpfalcon09]

How many more losses acceptable for you Loeffler supporters?

1,000.

[guest44]

Those supporters are still fantasizing about the 2013 MAC Championship game as if the next Matt Johnson is anywhere near campus, and Loeffler is half the coach Clawson is. It’s a pipe dream of reliving that, and has been since the beginning. Retaining the previous interim coach for 2 months for some tweets was a gigantic red flag.

[hammb]

I went with 6 wins, but there is merit to your 10 wins. Considering that we could, and some think should, have 5 wins right now….. No one is proven to be a juggernaut nor looks to be next year. He also has the historically unique opportunity to bring in anyone off the street he can, locker room be damned…. Maybe 6 is too low a bar?

Ten wins implies you either run the table in the MAC or you pick off two of UCLA, Miss St., and Marshall. Even in the years with recent MAC championships, the team still lost conference games. Winning in Pac-12 or SEC country will be a very big ask. I think that's an unreasonable and honestly unattainable situation for next year. Give me bowl eligibility and call it a day.

Not debating it , just talking here… is it unattainable given the portal opportunities ? He could bring in an entire o-line. How weak is the MAC now vs. historically?

10 wins is certainly attainable. In the regular season it's probably not, but I was figuring that if you make the MAC championship game you're pretty much guaranteed a bowl game. Is 10-4 really setting the bar THAT highly? Say you narrowly miss out on the MAC East title, you still get a 13th game with any successful season. I don't care where this program has been it is impossible for me to call a measly 6-7 season "successful". Not in this conference.

Maybe I'm jaded, but the overall quality of this conference is just bad compared to what it has been in the past. The MAC has pretty much always (in my 25 years or so as a fan) been home to some of the worst couple teams in college football, but we don't seem to have the higher end talent around here that we used to, especially at the QB position.

I don't think there's any chance in hell we win 10 games, I doubt very seriously we even win 7. But it will be Loeffler's 4th year, I don't think it's asking that much for him to show he can actually put forth an ACTUAL successful season. No bonus points for moving the bar so low that mediocrity feels successful.

[roguewarrior]

Hey...he sleeps in his office sometimes. That's worth 5 losses right there

Ha! I had an old boss who told our owner how he slept at work all the time, getting it done. Dude believed it. He slept there once when his old lady threw him out. Total douche move by SL to announce to everyone he sleeps at work. More self serving BS. That should come out in your biography at your hall of fame induction.

[Flipper]

A lot of coaches do that...I've talked to previous coaches who slept in the office a lot during the season and the run up to signing day. Lots of work to do until spring ball ends

[roguewarrior]

I know they do it. Just lame to tell the media about it yourself.

[TommyG]

Unfortunately he’s not getting canned after next year unless it’s a 2-4 win type season. I promise you…if he wins 6-8 games next year they are going to give him an extension. May only be a year or two, but he’s got this program with such low expectations right now, mediocrity seems like a step in the right direction.

Ideally, BG athletics should look to move of from Moosbrugger this year and let a new AD come in a focus on hiring a new FB coach, likely a new MBB coach in a couple years, and getting baseball back funded properly. You don’t want him making those hires…need to get someone who can run a department.