Eat it BCS!!!!!!!!!!!Boise State National Champions!!!!

[Falconboy]

Thanks to those who backed me up on letting me have my own view. I guess my biggest point is why does everyone want this total equality? Wouldn't be really bland if we all had the exact same opinion on EVERYTHING? Wouldn't it be pointless if all teams had the exact same budget and caliber players? Society isn't equal, jobs aren't equal, life isn't equal. Why should football be? You want to know why its so great when the Yankees don't make the world series and the Detroit Tigers do? Because they spend 1/100th of the time and money trying to and yet they still find away through EFFORT and HEART! Its what life/sports is all about. Being scrappy, trying to make something out of nothing! I think it would suck if BG by far had the biggest budget in all of college football. I think it would suck if BG got all the best recruits by default and didnt have to work for it. I like the CHALLENGE that we have and I like that when other schools and media like us it means for sure that we have EARNED their respect for ALL THE RIGHT REASONS, like HARDWORK, EFFORT and TEAMWORK.

I know a lot of you dont feel this way, but I just think the excitment and lure of it all would be gone if everything was equal or if we were the ones who are "supposed" to win by default. I'd rather have a team that was supposed to win because we stole a couple of recruits, had some good walk-ons, coached up some of the younger guys, played together as a team and out-schemed the opponent just like Boise State did to OU last night!

I can only agree with a few points in your post. I do think its cool to be a underdog who can beat BCS schools , but we arn't and can't ever be totally equal when we live in a small city compared to those cities that the BCS schools reside in. But don't think at all that we lose some kind of luster if we can pull in better recruits and be thought of as being worthy to be on the same field as those teams. These idiotic small bowls are in a word WORTHLEESS for intent and purposes. All they do is get you on cable tv at best. All those mediocre bowls give no added respect to mid-majors. What G.Mason was able to do in the NCAA Tourney last year gave them mad respect and accolades. I don't see the intense desire by many mid-major fans to keep or desire only these irrelavent bowl games. A Tourney of any kind would bring a new desire and intensity to the game of college football like we've never seen.

The BCS simply needs to go the way of the 8 track tape, vinal record and die.

[FalconFanatic]

I think they are a darn fine team, I just don't think they are the best. People keep talking about "oh they deserve a shot." A shot. They've had one. They played 12 games, won all of them, and not enough people think they are the best. And I don't think 80-90 percent of the general public want a playoff. Nor do 80-90 percent of the "paying" public. Maybe a majority of some group, or a plurality for those Clinton fans. But you can't simply say, "do you want a playoff." You must, lest you disgrace the game on the whole, ask if you want a playoff at the cost of all that which will in fact suffer with one. Start to mix reality into the pie-in-the-sky, and people's views change. But that is the Inconvenient Reality (TM) the playoff hawks hate to deal with.

What's so bad about a 16 team playoff???

[Jacobs4Heisman]

I think they are a darn fine team, I just don't think they are the best. People keep talking about "oh they deserve a shot." A shot. They've had one. They played 12 games, won all of them, and not enough people think they are the best. And I don't think 80-90 percent of the general public want a playoff. Nor do 80-90 percent of the "paying" public. Maybe a majority of some group, or a plurality for those Clinton fans. But you can't simply say, "do you want a playoff." You must, lest you disgrace the game on the whole, ask if you want a playoff at the cost of all that which will in fact suffer with one. Start to mix reality into the pie-in-the-sky, and people's views change. But that is the Inconvenient Reality (TM) the playoff hawks hate to deal with.

What's so bad about a 16 team playoff???

It will destroy all smaller bowls, cause the MAC to disband, kick NWLB's dog, and basically end existence as we all know it.

[tekekini]

this is all bogus, I quit reading the thread half way through but here is my thought.

Boise national champs?? not even close.

Yes they beat Oklahoma, but Oklahoma is an average team at best who played in a weak very weak conference. The only reason they got in the BCS is because Texas fell apart later in the season.

You could argue about giving them their shot in a playoff but they would not make the title game. It took everything they had to beat an average Oklahoma team. They could not turn around and then beat an OSU, LSU, Florida, UM or USC the next week. If they did happen to win two games, it is even less likely they would do it three times. These other schools are bigger, stonger, faster, more athletic and Boise simply would not keep up.

The BCS as is is not perfect and a playoff wouldn't do much more to prove who the best team is. Say you had a playoff and all teams in it had 1 loss except for OSU. OSU loses in the first round to Notre Dame or LSU or someone who had one loss, OSU is not eliminated for losing one game. Who is to say, then, that they shouldnt get another shot at a title when they have lost just as many games as the eventual winner?

The way it is now is a playoff. It is a 118 team 12 week playoff called the regular season. Smaller schools may be auto eliminated because they start the season ranked so low that if they go undefeated it is impossible for them to make up the ground to get to #1 or #2 but that is for good reason. The teams that they play against (Mountain west, MAC, C-USA) are generally so weak and pathetic that there is not really a great way to evaluate how good an undefeated team from those conferences are.

With that said Boise St. proved they were a good mid major team who beat an average BCS team in Oklahoma but like I also said, the big 12 was not and is not at its current state, much better than the MAC or Mountain west.

I know Texas is in the big 12 and it takes away from that win OSU had against them but it is the truth, thats the way it is so to say Boise deserves a shot or that a playoff would help them is far fetched.

Why make them play another game or two and get demolished and go home with their heads down. We shouldn't take what they accomplished away from them by making them go home with their tails between their legs?

There is not and there will never be a great way to determine a Champion. The BCS will continue to be tweaked but it will never be done away with. There is too much money involved. The presidents of the universities will not approve of the football players missing three or 4 more weeks of classes, and they will not shorten the regular season because it takes away from determining who the playoff teams should be. It would be an inaccurate system if the regular season was shortened.

[FalconFanatic]

Good point......... Counterpoint anyone?

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Good point......... Counterpoint anyone?

I'd rather gouge my eyes out with Paris Hilton's finger than try to engage in a meaningful debate with that sock puppet.

If OSU were third in the BCS, he'd be the first one in line with a pitchfork demanding a playoff, kind of like our esteemed ex-coach. Notice how he and Machen quit clamoring for a playoff when they jumped into 2nd? Same deal here. It's an argument of convenience, and more importantly, hypocrisy.

[FalconFanatic]

Well played J4H

[BGSUFootballFan]

Good point......... Counterpoint anyone?

I'd rather gouge my eyes out with Paris Hilton's finger than try to engage in a meaningful debate with that sock puppet.

If OSU were third in the BCS, he'd be the first one in line with a pitchfork demanding a playoff, kind of like our esteemed ex-coach. Notice how he and Machen quit clamoring for a playoff when they jumped into 2nd? Same deal here. It's an argument of convenience, and more importantly, hypocrisy.

Heck yeah Oregon Trail! haha

[Globetrotter]

Good point......... Counterpoint anyone?

I'd rather gouge my eyes out with Paris Hilton's finger than try to engage in a meaningful debate with that sock puppet.

If OSU were third in the BCS, he'd be the first one in line with a pitchfork demanding a playoff, kind of like our esteemed ex-coach. Notice how he and Machen quit clamoring for a playoff when they jumped into 2nd? Same deal here. It's an argument of convenience, and more importantly, hypocrisy.

kudos to your response.

We will have to Fjord the river of Tankini's stupidity to keep the discussion going.

[Globetrotter]

this is all bogus, I quit reading the thread half way through but here is my thought.

Boise national champs?? not even close.

Yes they beat Oklahoma, but Oklahoma is an average team at best who played in a weak very weak conference. The only reason they got in the BCS is because Texas fell apart later in the season.

You could argue about giving them their shot in a playoff but they would not make the title game. It took everything they had to beat an average Oklahoma team. They could not turn around and then beat an OSU, LSU, Florida, UM or USC the next week. If they did happen to win two games, it is even less likely they would do it three times. These other schools are bigger, stonger, faster, more athletic and Boise simply would not keep up.

The BCS as is is not perfect and a playoff wouldn't do much more to prove who the best team is. Say you had a playoff and all teams in it had 1 loss except for OSU. OSU loses in the first round to Notre Dame or LSU or someone who had one loss, OSU is not eliminated for losing one game. Who is to say, then, that they shouldnt get another shot at a title when they have lost just as many games as the eventual winner?

The way it is now is a playoff. It is a 118 team 12 week playoff called the regular season. Smaller schools may be auto eliminated because they start the season ranked so low that if they go undefeated it is impossible for them to make up the ground to get to #1 or #2 but that is for good reason. The teams that they play against (Mountain west, MAC, C-USA) are generally so weak and pathetic that there is not really a great way to evaluate how good an undefeated team from those conferences are.

With that said Boise St. proved they were a good mid major team who beat an average BCS team in Oklahoma but like I also said, the big 12 was not and is not at its current state, much better than the MAC or Mountain west.

I know Texas is in the big 12 and it takes away from that win OSU had against them but it is the truth, thats the way it is so to say Boise deserves a shot or that a playoff would help them is far fetched.

Why make them play another game or two and get demolished and go home with their heads down. We shouldn't take what they accomplished away from them by making them go home with their tails between their legs?

There is not and there will never be a great way to determine a Champion. The BCS will continue to be tweaked but it will never be done away with. There is too much money involved. The presidents of the universities will not approve of the football players missing three or 4 more weeks of classes, and they will not shorten the regular season because it takes away from determining who the playoff teams should be. It would be an inaccurate system if the regular season was shortened.

Oklahoma is a series of horrible calls at Oregon away from playing OSU on Monday. Average?

[transfer2BGSU]

We will have to Fjord the river of Tankini's stupidity to keep the discussion going.

Is that the pot calling the kettle black?

[BGSUFootballFan]

this is all bogus, I quit reading the thread half way through but here is my thought.

Boise national champs?? not even close.

Yes they beat Oklahoma, but Oklahoma is an average team at best who played in a weak very weak conference. The only reason they got in the BCS is because Texas fell apart later in the season.

You could argue about giving them their shot in a playoff but they would not make the title game. It took everything they had to beat an average Oklahoma team. They could not turn around and then beat an OSU, LSU, Florida, UM or USC the next week. If they did happen to win two games, it is even less likely they would do it three times. These other schools are bigger, stonger, faster, more athletic and Boise simply would not keep up.

The BCS as is is not perfect and a playoff wouldn't do much more to prove who the best team is. Say you had a playoff and all teams in it had 1 loss except for OSU. OSU loses in the first round to Notre Dame or LSU or someone who had one loss, OSU is not eliminated for losing one game. Who is to say, then, that they shouldnt get another shot at a title when they have lost just as many games as the eventual winner?

The way it is now is a playoff. It is a 118 team 12 week playoff called the regular season. Smaller schools may be auto eliminated because they start the season ranked so low that if they go undefeated it is impossible for them to make up the ground to get to #1 or #2 but that is for good reason. The teams that they play against (Mountain west, MAC, C-USA) are generally so weak and pathetic that there is not really a great way to evaluate how good an undefeated team from those conferences are.

With that said Boise St. proved they were a good mid major team who beat an average BCS team in Oklahoma but like I also said, the big 12 was not and is not at its current state, much better than the MAC or Mountain west.

I know Texas is in the big 12 and it takes away from that win OSU had against them but it is the truth, thats the way it is so to say Boise deserves a shot or that a playoff would help them is far fetched.

Why make them play another game or two and get demolished and go home with their heads down. We shouldn't take what they accomplished away from them by making them go home with their tails between their legs?

There is not and there will never be a great way to determine a Champion. The BCS will continue to be tweaked but it will never be done away with. There is too much money involved. The presidents of the universities will not approve of the football players missing three or 4 more weeks of classes, and they will not shorten the regular season because it takes away from determining who the playoff teams should be. It would be an inaccurate system if the regular season was shortened.

Oklahoma is a series of horrible calls at Oregon away from playing OSU on Monday. Average?

Yeah no doubt. They aren't spectular, but a heck of a lot better than average. Especially with Adrian Peterson back!

[Globetrotter]

We will have to Fjord the river of Tankini's stupidity to keep the discussion going.

Is that the pot calling the kettle black?

I am not sure that they had pots or kettles in Oregon trail. If they did, I am sure they could not talk.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

We will have to Fjord the river of Tankini's stupidity to keep the discussion going.

Is that the pot calling the kettle black?

I am not sure that they had pots or kettles in Oregon trail. If they did, I am sure they could not talk.

They had to use something to cook the assloads of Bison meat I brought home about 8 times a day.

And oh yeah -- everyone knows you shouldn't "Scandanavian geological structure" the rivers. Save your money for the ferryman, or else you won't last long enough for dysentery to kill you.

[UK Peregrine]

We will have to Fjord the river of Tankini's stupidity to keep the discussion going.

Is that the pot calling the kettle black?

I am not sure that they had pots or kettles in Oregon trail. If they did, I am sure they could not talk.

They had to use something to cook the assloads of Bison meat I brought home about 8 times a day.

Yeah, but your weak ass couldn't carry all the meat when you killed a buffalo.