kdog27 wrote:. . . Tell me why Dieter or anyone else in a similar position should have to begin working on their Master's at the same institution they received their Bachelor Degree? Just because they are an athlete? The rule makes sense.
Yes, it does. There really is no argument.
Assuming, with some degree of paranoia, that these posts go back to my loophole comment, let me clarify.
I think it's an excellent option for a player to pursue graduate work at the best university for his/her chosen path. Any other student can do it (and usually does), athletes wanting to use eligibility should be no different.
But the skeptic in me sees yet another chance for the powers that be which are already damaging college athletics to game the system. This Dieter scenario is different, because he's proven to be an outstanding student and players going from BG to the defending national champion may never happen (in this case or again), but what will stop lower-level P5 schools from using the MAC as a farm system, including teams we can beat (and have beaten), furthering the divide. Probably crazy talk, but I never would have thought 20 years ago the CFB landscape would be where it is today, either.
I hear you. The way I look at is --- this is the only time where players have a right that they haven't signed away through a National Letter of Intent. They've completed their studies, that's why they were there, and now are moving on.
If P5 want to use MAC schools as a farm system by getting one-year graduate transfers, the MAC schools haven't been hurt -- their player graduated. It doesn't sound to me like a viable plan for P5 schools.
Yep.
The only players eligible are those that were redshirted and then manage to graduate in a 4 year timeline. If the G5 schools are worried about it, don't redshirt guys. Even then it's not easy to graduate in 4 years (a lot of people don't) especially while playing Division 1 athletics.
Yes, I do think it's a shot for the mega programs to further screw us over, but I think it effects such a small portion of the player population that it is worth allowing this loophole because it benefits the student athletes. For the relatively small number of athletes that are going to be able to use this to leave a MAC team to play for Alabama or whatever is worth it to me to allow those student athletes to do what is best for their education. And given how few players this actually I applies to I think we will continue to see MAC teams benefit from it as much as they are hurt by it.
In the grand scheme of crap that the NCAA allows to continue the void between the haves and have nots I don't even think this rule is a blip on the radar.
And in this specific instance Dieter is a great STUDENT athlete, I think he should be allowed to pursue his education at any institution he wants.
Three reactions characterize the majority of responses in this thread: innocent, well-intentioned naivete, detached resignation all the way to full-fledged Stockholm Syndrome-esque endorsement of the subjugation methods of the Power 5. (I understand many BG fans have duel loyalties to Ohio State, Michigan, etc. and sympathize with them so the observation doesn’t apply to them because they don’t have the interests of the BG football program exclusively in mind.)
With respect to the “we got Hardy so it evens out” tradeoff argument, it’s not proportional if Group of 5 schools can only get Power 5 role players but the Power 5 can get their pick of the stars.
In terms of academics, if they were truly the reason for these moves then why play football at all? Graduate school is usually pretty rigorous. Russell Wilson didn’t move from NC State to Wisconsin for the Russian Lit program. These decisions are obviously made with football primarily in mind and we shouldn’t pretend that they aren’t. So be it, but like everything else, it’s just one more measure to unfairly separate the P5 from the G5. The surprise is the reaction; Delaney, Slive and the rest probably never dreamed that smaller institutions would welcome, nay celebrate, their star players leaving for other NCAA schools.
mscarn wrote:In terms of academics, if they were truly the reason for these moves then why play football at all? Graduate school is usually pretty rigorous. Russell Wilson didn’t move from NC State to Wisconsin for the Russian Lit program. These decisions are obviously made with football primarily in mind and we shouldn’t pretend that they aren’t. So be it, but like everything else, it’s just one more measure to unfairly separate the P5 from the G5. The surprise is the reaction; Delaney, Slive and the rest probably never dreamed that smaller institutions would welcome, nay celebrate, their star players leaving for other NCAA schools.
I'll just address the last part of your comment. If I could be on scholarship, hence not have to pay any tuition, and start my graduate degree (and potentially finish it), count me in. I was lucky and received a full scholarship and a stipend as part of an assistantship for my graduate degree. I taught classes for that. Without that assistantship package, I'm not sure I would have been able to attend grad school.
You are so out to lunch on this...the P5 coaches want to get rid of the graduate transfer. They bitched about it all spring last year. They hate the idea that a player...any player...would have leverage over them and actual honest to God freedom of choice. Personally...I think the players ought to have the same rights as coaches do...sign a piece of paper and walk onto the next opportunity.
This notion that we have to turn every issue into some moral argument about big vs little is nauseating. If Gehrig Dieter or any other player wants to up and leave...let them..it's their life. Who the hell are any of you to cluck you tongues and insist that his decisions fit your Quixotic notions about fair and unfair?
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Flipper wrote:You are so out to lunch on this...the P5 coaches want to get rid of the graduate transfer. They bitched about it all spring last year. They hate the idea that a player...any player...would have leverage over them and actual honest to God freedom of choice. Personally...I think the players ought to have the same rights as coaches do...sign a piece of paper and walk onto the next opportunity.
This notion that we have to turn every issue into some moral argument about big vs little is nauseating. If Gehrig Dieter or any other player wants to up and leave...let them..it's their life. Who the hell are any of you to cluck you tongues and insist that his decisions fit your Quixotic notions about fair and unfair?
But but but the big schools are picking on us
Right on brother. The guy is graduating (I assume to be accurate). It's his frickin choice where he wants to take classes regardless of wheter he cares about those classes or not. And who are you to say he or any other player doesn't care about them or the decision is made with only football in mind? Football is not guaranteed, maybe just maybe it's about football AND academics.
I didn't read every post here and someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I think one provision in the whole graduate transfer rule that is being overlooked is that the student has to be entering a program that their current school doesn't offer. That is, if a player like Deiter wanted to get a Masters of Accountancy or Education, well, he could get that anywhere, but would only be able to play football if he stayed at BG because we offer those programs. But if he was wanted a Masters degree is Sabanomics and Alabama offered that and BG doesn't, then he could go to Bama AND play football.
I know Dakich hates this rule because he thinks it harms mid-major schools because they lose players to bigger schools. But it should work both ways and Hardy is an example of that. I have no issues with the rule. If a kid has his degree, God Bless and good luck. Go make the best of yourself whereever you see fit.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools."
- Ernest Hemingway
Not really any new information but it's out there for everyone to see now.
I suppose the cat is out of the bag now. I suspect this is why the new staff went after Landry so hard at the last minute as they were notified that Gehrig likely wouldn't be back for the 2016 season. The program will now be losing nearly half of their receiving production with Lewis leaving and Dieter likely transferring.
You can't blame Dieter for taking advantage of a dumb rule...it's really too bad the NCAA has a weak leader. What it really needs is someone to get in their and control college football. For every Texas, Ohio State and Alabama who make big money, there are ten programs that lose enough money to bankrupt their Athletic Department. Someone needs to step in and bring common sense back into college athletics.
