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Looks like the Univ is doing a pretty good job in educating and graduating it athletes. In 3 catagories BG is the Top in Ohio, and 2 in the MAC. (couple of 2nd and 3rds in there). We are 2nd behind Miami in one category.

Interestingly enough, even Toledo is doing better than OSU in 3 out of the 4 as well.
http://bgsufalcons.collegesports.com/ge ... 06aad.html

Another fine reason to be so proud of BGSU.

This was another BiG reason that we were excited about Sean Ellis getting the opportunity to come to BG. Some of these schools in Florida are DEFINITELY not as interested in the academic side of the house if you know what I mean.

PGY Tiercel wrote:Looks like the Univ is doing a pretty good job in educating and graduating it athletes. In 3 catagories BG is the Top in Ohio, and 2 in the MAC. (couple of 2nd and 3rds in there). We are 2nd behind Miami in one category.

Interestingly enough, even Toledo is doing better than OSU in 3 out of the 4 as well.
http://bgsufalcons.collegesports.com/ge ... 06aad.html

Im sure some of that has to do with the # of kids who leave early from OSU for Nfl and do not graduate and would have if they had stayed.

They send a lot of kids early.

Yeah...like Maurice Clarett.

I think graduating players is a higher priority at mid majors than at big time schools. Its my hope that we always stress graduation as a primary goal for our programs. Its something that makes me proud to be a Falcon fan.

tekekini wrote:
Im sure some of that has to do with the # of kids who leave early from OSU for Nfl and do not graduate and would have if they had stayed.

They send a lot of kids early.

i'm sure that is true as well. But to me it still says something about the Univ but even more so about Collegiate Athletics as whole, namely basketball and football. Football and basketball players have turned college into the minor leagues (hockey is a bit different due to their draft/signing rules). As OandB said graduating athletes is a higher priority at mid majors, but is also a higher priority in the non-revenue sports at large colleges compared to FB and BB teams. This is probably more due to the fact that a gymnast/swimmer/golfer etc isn't going to get much out of a great college career unless he/she has a degree but still most of those athletes fit the student-athlete bill much more than FB and BB players.

tekekini wrote:Im sure some of that has to do with the # of kids who leave early from OSU for Nfl and do not graduate and would have if they had stayed.

They send a lot of kids early.

1989-98 Freshman Cohort
Graduation Rates For Those
Who Have Exhausted Eligibility
BGSU 94%
Miami 93%
Ohio 92%
YSU 92%
KSU 91%
OSU 88%
Cle St. 86%
Akron 85%
WSU 85%
Toledo 84%
UC 78%

OSU is still only 6th in the state for players graduating who have used up all their elgibility.

PGY Tiercel wrote:

tekekini wrote:
Im sure some of that has to do with the # of kids who leave early from OSU for Nfl and do not graduate and would have if they had stayed.

They send a lot of kids early.

i'm sure that is true as well. But to me it still says something about the Univ but even more so about Collegiate Athletics as whole, namely basketball and football. Football and basketball players have turned college into the minor leagues (hockey is a bit different due to their draft/signing rules). As OandB said graduating athletes is a higher priority at mid majors, but is also a higher priority in the non-revenue sports at large colleges compared to FB and BB teams. This is probably more due to the fact that a gymnast/swimmer/golfer etc isn't going to get much out of a great college career unless he/she has a degree but still most of those athletes fit the student-athlete bill much more than FB and BB players.

Well, remember that only about 1/10 FB players in college go on to make the NFL, and probably about 1/30 basketball players make the NBA. It's only a small percentage of athletes that this pertains to.

OSU has about 7-10 players drafted on average a year. One year they had 14 go. I wonder how many of those actually graduate and finish their degree at OSU. I know the NFL has a program for players to finish school by being educated by Tutors that are hired by the NFL. Especially those players who are expected to be 1st or 2nd round picks. At this moment, they are more busy training and preparing for combine and team work outs. I am willing to bet that a lot of players (not just OSU but a lot of talent from powerhouse schools) do not finish school at those institutions but maybe finish up degree in the NFL tutoring program.

Those also would not count on the OSU graduation rate, but I am sure it prolly counts against it.

I also imagine Omar will be doing the same thing. Not sure since BG is on semesters but it is possible that Omar will not actually walk at BGSU for graduation since he is expected to be a decent draft pick

tekekini wrote:

PGY Tiercel wrote:Looks like the Univ is doing a pretty good job in educating and graduating it athletes. In 3 catagories BG is the Top in Ohio, and 2 in the MAC. (couple of 2nd and 3rds in there). We are 2nd behind Miami in one category.

Interestingly enough, even Toledo is doing better than OSU in 3 out of the 4 as well.
http://bgsufalcons.collegesports.com/ge ... 06aad.html

Im sure some of that has to do with the # of kids who leave early from OSU for Nfl and do not graduate and would have if they had stayed.

They send a lot of kids early.

Actually, it doesn't. Fortunately, it sounds like they factor those things out. I found this in the article about UT's GSR.

The GSR differs from the federal graduation rate, which counts only first-time, full-time freshmen who enter an institution during the fall semester, and which penalizes an institution for all transfers, even those in good academic standing.

"The NCAA considers the GSR to be more accurate than the federal rate in evaluating an institution's graduation rate," said Brian Lutz, UT assistant athletic director for compliance. "The GSR is more inclusive in that it covers more student-athletes than the federal rate. It also takes into account the increasing mobility of student-athletes who transfer or turn professional prior to graduation."

http://utrockets.collegesports.com/genr ... 06aac.html

bgsufalcon24 wrote:Well, remember that only about 1/10 FB players in college go on to make the NFL, and probably about 1/30 basketball players make the NBA. It's only a small percentage of athletes that this pertains to.

Take a look at Appendix C in the link:

http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/car ... letics.pdf

Touchdown Rockets wrote:

tekekini wrote:

PGY Tiercel wrote:Looks like the Univ is doing a pretty good job in educating and graduating it athletes. In 3 catagories BG is the Top in Ohio, and 2 in the MAC. (couple of 2nd and 3rds in there). We are 2nd behind Miami in one category.

Interestingly enough, even Toledo is doing better than OSU in 3 out of the 4 as well.
http://bgsufalcons.collegesports.com/ge ... 06aad.html

Im sure some of that has to do with the # of kids who leave early from OSU for Nfl and do not graduate and would have if they had stayed.

They send a lot of kids early.

Actually, it doesn't. Fortunately, it sounds like they factor those things out. I found this in the article about UT's GSR.

The GSR differs from the federal graduation rate, which counts only first-time, full-time freshmen who enter an institution during the fall semester, and which penalizes an institution for all transfers, even those in good academic standing.

"The NCAA considers the GSR to be more accurate than the federal rate in evaluating an institution's graduation rate," said Brian Lutz, UT assistant athletic director for compliance. "The GSR is more inclusive in that it covers more student-athletes than the federal rate. It also takes into account the increasing mobility of student-athletes who transfer or turn professional prior to graduation."

http://utrockets.collegesports.com/genr ... 06aac.html

Takes into account which way though? it counts kids leaving early against the university grad rate? or they dont count those kids at all in the rate?

What I was saying is that it counts against the program lowering the graduation rates

Teke, read my post above. OSU is 6th in the state when it comes to graduation rates of students who have exhausted their elgibility.

Wow...I know it's Monday (which are usually pretty rough days for me ) but I came on here to check up on my BGSU reading, and ended up clicking on the OSU board. Why the heck are some defending OSU on just about every thread today. I couldn't really care about where OSU finished, however I do think it's a little ridiculous that some BG fans will go out of their way to defend OSU and in essence cheapen the accomplishment that BG has made year in and year out in these scholastic categories. Maybe I'm just grouchy though cuz it's Monday!