http://www.thetwominutedrill.com
It's not fully completed yet, but it should be by Monday, and our positional rankings should be up soon. This is for anyone interested in the NFL Draft, even if only for Omar. Omar happens to be my #2 rated QB behind Matt Leinart, but the other 2 guys running the site with me have their own rankings as well. So, keep the link and check back if you're interested. Thanks.
I've started an NFLDraft website
I've started an NFLDraft website
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It's called "personal preference" my friend. I know plenty of people that had that ranking preseason. Some of us just werent blinded by Young's Rose Bowl performance and still see him as the project he truly is. Consider this comment emailed to me from someone who runs prominent draft site:dduncan wrote:I don't mean to sound rude, but how the hell does Omar get ranked higher than Vince Young?
I guess you're trying to make a name for yourself and by ranking Omar #2, you will probably be the only person in the country with that ranking.
"put Matt Jones on Texas he's a better, faster version of Vince Young-
and he's playing WR."
That's pasted right from his e-mail. I don't think I'm alone in my doubting Young at all, though many may have Cutler ahead of Young and not Omar, but that's where preference comes in, and anyone confident in what they do won't simply conform to popular opinion. So think next time before you criticize.
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It's not a bias because I don't base my opinion on his potential or his ranking on the fact that I like him. A good reason for my liking him is because of the potential I've believed he has. So am I saying that Omar is my #2 rated QB simply because I like him? No. I think it would do my rankings and the site in general a disservice to compile my rankings that way. But thank you for the compliments and I hope everyone does enjoy it once everything is up. We're in the process of trying to secure some interviews (I've approached Omar, real shocker there) and we're going to make a complete site mock draft after the Combine. Things really shake out after the Combine so we decided to just wait on it and make a more accurate mock.Sweets9 wrote:I'm going to have to agree with Duncan here. I respect your opinion, but when you have a picture of Omar as your sig, it crosses the line from personal preference to biased.
Site is looking nice though, look forward to seeing your mock draft.
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You still haven't given a good reason. Personal preference? What, SPECIFICALLY, does Omar do that has a distinct advantage over VY? Since I don't have a website devoted to projecting NFL football players, I look forward to learning what people have to say.It's called "personal preference" my friend. I know plenty of people that had that ranking preseason. Some of us just werent blinded by Young's Rose Bowl performance and still see him as the project he truly is. Consider this comment emailed to me from someone who runs prominent draft site:
"put Matt Jones on Texas he's a better, faster version of Vince Young-
and he's playing WR."
That's pasted right from his e-mail. I don't think I'm alone in my doubting Young at all, though many may have Cutler ahead of Young and not Omar, but that's where preference comes in, and anyone confident in what they do won't simply conform to popular opinion. So think next time before you criticize.
Let's see, Vince Young didn't show that he can be an elite QB, besides what you saw at the Rose Bowl? He didn't significally improve from the 2004 season? Especially his ability to make all the throws, have a great pocket presence. Know when the pocket breaks down and run. Know how to make people miss in the open field.
I will say that I think Omar does do some things much better than VY, and I'm very high on Vince. I still believe Vince to be the better all around prospect, but he's also a project. Omar is a more accurate, more reliable passer of the football. Vince is vastly superior athletically. Both guys have mechanical issues with their release/delivery. Both have the size & arm strength that you want to see from an NFL QB.
The thing that has me put VY on a much different level as a prospect is that he has all the intangibles. He has shown on some huge stages that he is fully capable of putting a team on his back and carrying them to victory, both on the ground & through the air (not unlike our own Josh Harris). Omar, as much as I love him, hasn't consistently shown the ability to take over games in the same way. His teams either won big or folded in the 2nd halves of games. I'm not sure Omar's personality is conducive to being the leader & driving force of a team (which is what you want your QB to be).
When comparing the two I'm a lot more confident in VY's ability to develop his passing game than I am on Omar to become a better leader. That's why I think VY is a top 10 pick and Omar is more of a 2nd/3rd rounder, in my mind. As for Cutler I still don't know where to put him, he was awful at the Senior Bowl, but he's a physical specimen. Dunno why, but I get a distinct feeling of Kyle Bollerness about him...
The thing that has me put VY on a much different level as a prospect is that he has all the intangibles. He has shown on some huge stages that he is fully capable of putting a team on his back and carrying them to victory, both on the ground & through the air (not unlike our own Josh Harris). Omar, as much as I love him, hasn't consistently shown the ability to take over games in the same way. His teams either won big or folded in the 2nd halves of games. I'm not sure Omar's personality is conducive to being the leader & driving force of a team (which is what you want your QB to be).
When comparing the two I'm a lot more confident in VY's ability to develop his passing game than I am on Omar to become a better leader. That's why I think VY is a top 10 pick and Omar is more of a 2nd/3rd rounder, in my mind. As for Cutler I still don't know where to put him, he was awful at the Senior Bowl, but he's a physical specimen. Dunno why, but I get a distinct feeling of Kyle Bollerness about him...
If you wanted a complete breakdown, instead of criticizing my opinion, why didn't you simply ask how I came to that opinion? lol I would have spent my time explaining my opinion rather than defending it.dduncan wrote:You still haven't given a good reason. Personal preference? What, SPECIFICALLY, does Omar do that has a distinct advantage over VY? Since I don't have a website devoted to projecting NFL football players, I look forward to learning what people have to say.It's called "personal preference" my friend. I know plenty of people that had that ranking preseason. Some of us just werent blinded by Young's Rose Bowl performance and still see him as the project he truly is. Consider this comment emailed to me from someone who runs prominent draft site:
"put Matt Jones on Texas he's a better, faster version of Vince Young-
and he's playing WR."
That's pasted right from his e-mail. I don't think I'm alone in my doubting Young at all, though many may have Cutler ahead of Young and not Omar, but that's where preference comes in, and anyone confident in what they do won't simply conform to popular opinion. So think next time before you criticize.
Let's see, Vince Young didn't show that he can be an elite QB, besides what you saw at the Rose Bowl? He didn't significally improve from the 2004 season? Especially his ability to make all the throws, have a great pocket presence. Know when the pocket breaks down and run. Know how to make people miss in the open field.
With Vince Young I believe, and others also believe, that there is more than meets the eye. He played in a shotgun offense at Texas tailored to his strengths. Basically, running. You can't devise an offense in the NFL where your QB runs out of the shotgun 20 times a game or he'll get slaughtered. His passing seems to have improved but that can also be a product of his WRs growing from year to year as well. His passes still seemed to flutter, and his mechanics are still terrible.
The skinny: great college athlete, phenomenal. But even Michael Vick was 20 times ahead of him in terms of passing coming out of college. I find it an eery coincidence that now he might not throw at the Combine. The high from the Rose Bowl is beginning to wear off, and I think people are starting to came back to their senses on him a tad. Wonderful college athlete, but a major, major project at the next level.
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I think Omar has demonstrated a better conceptual grasp of a passing offense than Young. Young is an explosive athlete...I don't know how well pure athleticism translates into the NFL at QB...there's just too many variables.
I'm in a distinct minority here, but I think Leinart will be an excellent NFL QB. I like his vision, smarts and leadership abilities. His arm is strong enough and he's a very accurate passer downfield. It may take him some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL and he'll have to learn that he has far less room to work with when trying to squeeze the ball in between the corner and the safety, but I think he can handle it.
I'm in a distinct minority here, but I think Leinart will be an excellent NFL QB. I like his vision, smarts and leadership abilities. His arm is strong enough and he's a very accurate passer downfield. It may take him some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL and he'll have to learn that he has far less room to work with when trying to squeeze the ball in between the corner and the safety, but I think he can handle it.
Omar -- shotgun offense, can't go shotgun ever down in the NFLIm_Full wrote:With Vince Young I believe, and others also believe, that there is more than meets the eye. He played in a shotgun offense at Texas tailored to his strengths. Basically, running. You can't devise an offense in the NFL where your QB runs out of the shotgun 20 times a game or he'll get slaughtered. His passing seems to have improved but that can also be a product of his WRs growing from year to year as well. His passes still seemed to flutter, and his mechanics are still terrible.
Omar -- terrible mechanics
Omar -- receivers improved
Much of the same can be said that you used for Vince.
Vince put up sick stats this year against some pretty damn tough competition and won a title:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/pr ... rId=135107
I sure hope you don't put that in your new site. I think you need to check your facts before saying that Vick was 20x ahead of VY at passing the ball. The facts are, VY was in an offense that actually threw the ball, and found a way to complete passes at a higher rate.The skinny: great college athlete, phenomenal. But even Michael Vick was 20 times ahead of him in terms of passing coming out of college. I find it an eery coincidence that now he might not throw at the Combine.
Serious question: Do you think it is a bad idea to not throw at the combine, especially if he is projected to be a top 10 pick?
I think you need to check your facts too. Vick was more developed in the passing game coming out of college, and that's just a fact. If you doubt me so much, rather than harassing me, why don't you do some research and ask around, ask some reliable sources who was the more developed passer, Vick or Young, and see what result you get.dduncan wrote:I sure hope you don't put that in your new site. I think you need to check your facts before saying that Vick was 20x ahead of VY at passing the ball. The facts are, VY was in an offense that actually threw the ball, and found a way to complete passes at a higher rate.The skinny: great college athlete, phenomenal. But even Michael Vick was 20 times ahead of him in terms of passing coming out of college. I find it an eery coincidence that now he might not throw at the Combine.
Serious question: Do you think it is a bad idea to not throw at the combine, especially if he is projected to be a top 10 pick?
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I will use this post to respond to the other nit-picker that says you can use all the points against Young against Omar too, since you basically unwittingly contridicted them in your post. He has demonstrated a far better grasp of the passing game, and that's an understatement. You cannot compare the offenses Texas ran with Young to BG's with Omar because they're night and day. BG does not rely on Omar's wheels, whereas Texas most certainly called on Young to run out of the shotgun quite a bit. I'm also more impressed with Omar's accuracy and overall deep ball. As I said, Young's tend to flutter when he tries to put his arm on display.Flipper wrote:I think Omar has demonstrated a better conceptual grasp of a passing offense than Young. Young is an explosive athlete...I don't know how well pure athleticism translates into the NFL at QB...there's just too many variables.
I'm in a distinct minority here, but I think Leinart will be an excellent NFL QB. I like his vision, smarts and leadership abilities. His arm is strong enough and he's a very accurate passer downfield. It may take him some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL and he'll have to learn that he has far less room to work with when trying to squeeze the ball in between the corner and the safety, but I think he can handle it.
I'm not saying Young isn't a phenomenal athlete, because he is. You guys seem to always point to that when trying to defend Young, and you're not alone, but frankly if "athleticism" is what ruled in the NFL, it would be dominated by track stars and power-lifters. But it takes an athlete that can also grasp the intricacies of the game and of their position, and they either have it or they don't. The ones that do end up rich and in the Pro Bowl. The ones that don't you pull out their football cards 5 years later and ask "I wonder what happened to him?" It's as simple as that.
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