yet another run D thread...

[BGSUfanatUT]

I was looking at the stats to the TT game this morning, and I noticed that even though we hald them to like 2 yards a carry total, their back still have over 120 yards against us. WE sacked them for 60+ yards of loss to skew the stats a little. I wasnt impressed with their back either time ive watche dhim play this year. I do think the run D is getting better, but the quality of team has been going down as well. I just hope we can figure out all of our kinks before the marshall game.

[OptionQB]

I've said this to many during the game and probably a lot more since and it comes down to this AGAIN . . . When we start playing with a TEAM concept then our program will not suffer losses like we did at Northern Illinois.

My point: We're up 35-6 in the second half. There is absolutely no reason for Omar to be on the field other than to get reps. I have no problem with a Sophomore taking reps. BUT if you're going to require him to stay focused and maintain discipline by doing our cutesy, illogical "look to the sideline every play because we might have called the wrong one" plan then expect the same discipline out of the defense to break down and make a tackle.

Two observations:

1. Ball State was not scheming by giving us multiple looks and it's just pointless and develops bad habits to look to the sideline every time for maybe a new play . . . In the games that I've watched and listened to, a lot of the times, we have a hard enough time with one.

2. Why are we so hell bent on stripping the ball in one-on-one situations. I have no problem with stripping the ball, but let's first make the play and allow the swarming defense to come in for the strip. The frequency of stripping the ball on one-on-one situations is not high, yet we feel compelled to do it all the time.

[factman]

bitch.....bitch....bitch!!!!!! My God, we scored a bizillion points. If we would have taken Omar out and scored 25, you would have been saying we should have scored 50 on BSU. Your story gets REAL old.

[OptionQB]

I had no problems with Omar being in the game, my problem is that we don't have the same attention to detail on defense as we do offense.

And if those are the priorities we are going to place on the program, then there will be many weeks you'll need 51 points . . . just to win the game, the first two of those being Nov. 13 and Nov. 23.

[BGSUfanatUT]

bitch.....bitch....bitch!!!!!! My God, we scored a bizillion points. If we would have taken Omar out and scored 25, you would have been saying we should have scored 50 on BSU. Your story gets REAL old.

well its a thread about our defense, no problems with the offense other than in DeKalb.

[hammb]

bitch.....bitch....bitch!!!!!! My God, we scored a bizillion points. If we would have taken Omar out and scored 25, you would have been saying we should have scored 50 on BSU. Your story gets REAL old.

Sounds like factman is having a tough time facing the facts that our run defense is borderline pathetic. It has cost us 2 games this year already and could very well cost us 2 more. Run the ball & stopping the run are the fundamental elements of football. If you fail at them you WILL lose games.

Sure we beat up on Ball State...big yawn. I want to win the games against real teams, and right now our recent track record against them isn't that hot.

[Warthog]

I had no problems with Omar being in the game, my problem is that we don't have the same attention to detail on defense as we do offense.

If I may interject hear, I think I may see part of your point. When you talk about discipline and team play, watch the offense. They get to the line of scrimagge, get set, and almost simultaneously all look to the sideline for the play. On defense, we don't huddle at all. Guys are all over the place. They look to the sideline whenever they want to see what hte play is. It looks very disorganized, undisciplined, and not team oriented at all. I would really like to see our defense huddle up and call schemes out together just to try to build some more team work amongst them. It looks too much like each unit (line, LBs, DBs) operate on their own and not as a team of 11. :rant:

[kdog27]

bitch.....bitch....bitch!!!!!! My God, we scored a bizillion points. If we would have taken Omar out and scored 25, you would have been saying we should have scored 50 on BSU. Your story gets REAL old.

Sounds like factman is having a tough time facing the facts that our run defense is borderline pathetic. It has cost us 2 games this year already and could very well cost us 2 more. Run the ball & stopping the run are the fundamental elements of football. If you fail at them you WILL lose games.

Sure we beat up on Ball State...big yawn. I want to win the games against real teams, and right now our recent track record against them isn't that hot.

Our run defense did not cost us a win vs Oklahoma. The sooners had just as much success throwing the ball as they did running the ball, they just opted to run more often.

[hammb]

Our run defense did not cost us a win vs Oklahoma. The sooners had just as much success throwing the ball as they did running the ball, they just opted to run more often.

I disagree. We were right in that game and had the momentum shifted in our direction, in large part because of a telegraphed pass that resulted in 6 points for Keon. They promptly ran the ball down our throats and controlled the ball for 8:00+ THAT was what lost us the game, that one drive, more than anything. That drive was our run defense getting punched in the mouth.

[kdog27]

Our run defense did not cost us a win vs Oklahoma. The sooners had just as much success throwing the ball as they did running the ball, they just opted to run more often.

I disagree. We were right in that game and had the momentum shifted in our direction, in large part because of a telegraphed pass that resulted in 6 points for Keon. They promptly ran the ball down our throats and controlled the ball for 8:00+ THAT was what lost us the game, that one drive, more than anything. That drive was our run defense getting punched in the mouth.

Hammb, I see your point. That drive no doubt killed us. The momentum was deflated with all those third down conversions. But still that was not all the run defense. They kept getting to third and three or third and two and the Sooners would complete a pass for a first. I thought the defense played their hearts out on that drive but they were overmatched and the Sooners got lucky on that fourth down play with a desperation pass. Additionally, Oklahoma has shoved the ball down the throat of just about everybody. Them putting up big numbers on the ground was no anomaly.

[hammb]

Hammb, I see your point. That drive no doubt killed us. The momentum was deflated with all those third down conversions. But still that was not all the run defense. They kept getting to third and three or third and two and the Sooners would complete a pass for a first. I thought the defense played their hearts out on that drive but they were overmatched and the Sooners got lucky on that fourth down play with a desperation pass. Additionally, Oklahoma has shoved the ball down the throat of just about everybody. Them putting up big numbers on the ground was no anomaly.

It is nearly impossible for a defense to consistently stop 3rd down conversions when they were all 3rd & 2 and 3rd & 3. The key to getting a stop on 3rd down is shutting down the run on first & second down. Its so hard to cover all the possiblities when they're trying to complete a 3 yard pass.

It is true that Oklahoma has pretty much shoved the ball down the throat of nearly everyone. So I'm not faulting in our defense in that they were really any WORSE than anyone else that has played Oklahoma. I'm merely saying that when I think back to that game I think our run defense was the #1 reason we lost. Our offense was nearly flawless. Our pass defense was not great, but did result in a quick 6 for us, and Jason White had little success completing anything downfield. Our Run defense wasn't AWFUL, per se, because they were going against a dominant run offense, but I do think that was the area in which we struggled most and lost the game.

[Falconboy]

Giving up 123 yards to Ball St. is not good either way you look at it. We gotta get this run D shored up if were going to beat Eastern Mich. next home game. We can't live on just good enough D to win many games. What did Sherrell run on us last year , like 160 some yards? Not good.