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The Ohio Bowl.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:25 pm
by Globetrotter
there are 8 College football teams in Ohio in Division 1-A and countless more in the lower divisions. We have two large professional football stadiums nad one even larger college stadium. Why not have a college football all-star game at each site rotating every year. Those invited...seniors from Cincy, OSU (limited to 8) BG, OU, Toledo, Miami, Akron, Kent, also the lower level schools....Ashland, Central State, Youngstown, Ohio Northern. At least one senior from each of those teams.....and if we have trouble filling two full teams then we grab seniors who grew up in Ohio and traveled elsewhere. Why not...There is currently no bowl in Ohio.

Re: The Ohio Bowl.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:47 pm
by hammb
Globetrotter wrote:there are 8 College football teams in Ohio in Division 1-A and countless more in the lower divisions. We have two large professional football stadiums nad one even larger college stadium. Why not have a college football all-star game at each site rotating every year. Those invited...seniors from Cincy, OSU (limited to 8) BG, OU, Toledo, Miami, Akron, Kent, also the lower level schools....Ashland, Central State, Youngstown, Ohio Northern. At least one senior from each of those teams.....and if we have trouble filling two full teams then we grab seniors who grew up in Ohio and traveled elsewhere. Why not...There is currently no bowl in Ohio.
I tell you what, if you put something like that together, and are able to get commitments from all the top players I guarantee it would sell out. The state of Ohio loves football, especially college football. That said, it may work better if you challenged another state.

Took the best graduating seniors from Ohio colleges and played them against the best graduating seniors from Michigan colleges or something like that. Now THAT would be fun as hell to watch. Plus it would give more fodder for us draftniks that think the time between December 20th & April 30th is the best part of the football season :)

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:52 pm
by TG1996
A fun idea, but there's too much at stake anymore to get REALLY big stars. Players are already too careful about getting injured at senior bowls, "pro days" and combines before the draft, I don't see many of them subjecting themselves to an extra game.

Then again, you could still have a hell of a game made up of guys that might just want one more shot under the lights, too.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:06 pm
by hammb
TG1996 wrote:A fun idea, but there's too much at stake anymore to get REALLY big stars. Players are already too careful about getting injured at senior bowls, "pro days" and combines before the draft, I don't see many of them subjecting themselves to an extra game.

Then again, you could still have a hell of a game made up of guys that might just want one more shot under the lights, too.
Actually, in recent years the Senior Bowl is making a resurgence. It's always been the signature game of the postseason all star games. It looks like it'll get most of the big senior stars again this year. I believe Brady Quinn, Troy Smith, and Joe Thomas (to name a few) have already committed to play in the game. Players are starting to show a little more willingness to play in these games, because showing their wares in new surroundings can have a good effect on their draft stock.

If you could turn it into a pride thing like versus Michigan I think you'd see even more stars turn out for the game.

And besides, even if the very top level stars did not want to play, how many people is that really? Honestly Cincy & the MAC schools rarely have a first round talent to protect. On any given year Michigan, OSU, and MSU might combine for maybe 4 or 5 first rounders? Even if you missed out on these top level talents, there would still be a lot of other kids that would see it as a way to move up a round or two in the draft.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:18 pm
by Jacobs4Heisman
Maybe if Omar or J5 could have impressed in a game like this, they move up a round or 2 and make 50 or 100 thousand more dollars on a contract.

It's a nice idea, and one that I think could work, but I'd be surprised to see it ever happen.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:25 pm
by BGSUFootballFan
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Maybe if Omar or J5 could have impressed in a game like this, they move up a round or 2 and make 50 or 100 thousand more dollars on a contract.

It's a nice idea, and one that I think could work, but I'd be surprised to see it ever happen.
I do want to agree with you on this one, but its so depressing to think about how J5 performed on the gameday crew game and yet he isn't on a roster. But 40% completion Eli was the #1 pick, 0.0 QB rating Grossman has a good shot at the Superbowl and I'd rather be sacked than throw Andrew Walter started 10+ games this year!

In the biggest game of his career Harris threw for close to 400 and ran for dang near 100 and got the all important win in some sloppy conditions! If that isn't enough to get some merit in the NFL, then I dont think some ohio college all-star game is going to do it either!

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:37 pm
by Jacobs4Heisman
BGSUFootballFan wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Maybe if Omar or J5 could have impressed in a game like this, they move up a round or 2 and make 50 or 100 thousand more dollars on a contract.

It's a nice idea, and one that I think could work, but I'd be surprised to see it ever happen.
I do want to agree with you on this one, but its so depressing to think about how J5 performed on the gameday crew game and yet he isn't on a roster. But 40% completion Eli was the #1 pick, 0.0 QB rating Grossman has a good shot at the Superbowl and I'd rather be sacked than throw Andrew Walter started 10+ games this year!

In the biggest game of his career Harris threw for close to 400 and ran for dang near 100 and got the all important win in some sloppy conditions! If that isn't enough to get some merit in the NFL, then I dont think some ohio college all-star game is going to do it either!

Of course it wouldn't win him any starting job in the NFL -- I didn't say that. I said maybe it bumps him to round 5 instead of round 6, and maybe he pockets a little more cash because of it.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:53 pm
by TG1996
And I don't think the biggest names will play in both a Senior Bowl and an Ohio All Star game, to keep themselves healthy.

And "making it a rivalry with Michigan" likely doesn't mean much to anyone not born here or outside of Ohio State. Now, if they tried something with Ohio-born seniors regardless of school, it might be different. What about a "Big 33" weekend? Though I guess the Big 33 game is later in the summer, having the HS all stars on a Friday night with the college game the next Saturday afternoon might be a thought...

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:04 pm
by Schadenfreude
TG1996 is right, as usual.

It should not be against Michigan, which would be a slaughter.

If such a game could be put together -- and its an intriguing idea -- it would have to be with Pennsylvania.

Perhaps there could be a rule allowing people who emigrated away from Ohio and Pennsylvania to play, too. This would add some balance if balance were an issue. (Three I-A programs versus eight; I'm guessing Pennsylvania exports more talent).

The game would fit quite nicely in a MAC stadium, I think.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:24 pm
by hammb
Pennsylvania was my original thought, but with so many fewer D1A schools i changed my mind to Michigan. It would be sweet to do a Big33 rematch so to speak.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:44 pm
by BGSUFootballFan
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
BGSUFootballFan wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Maybe if Omar or J5 could have impressed in a game like this, they move up a round or 2 and make 50 or 100 thousand more dollars on a contract.

It's a nice idea, and one that I think could work, but I'd be surprised to see it ever happen.
I do want to agree with you on this one, but its so depressing to think about how J5 performed on the gameday crew game and yet he isn't on a roster. But 40% completion Eli was the #1 pick, 0.0 QB rating Grossman has a good shot at the Superbowl and I'd rather be sacked than throw Andrew Walter started 10+ games this year!

In the biggest game of his career Harris threw for close to 400 and ran for dang near 100 and got the all important win in some sloppy conditions! If that isn't enough to get some merit in the NFL, then I dont think some ohio college all-star game is going to do it either!

Of course it wouldn't win him any starting job in the NFL -- I didn't say that. I said maybe it bumps him to round 5 instead of round 6, and maybe he pockets a little more cash because of it.
Point taken, but I don't think that all-star game he played in helped him any do you? I actually thought it hurt him... look at where JP Losman is at now? :(

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:29 pm
by Globetrotter
TG1996 wrote:A fun idea, but there's too much at stake anymore to get REALLY big stars. Players are already too careful about getting injured at senior bowls, "pro days" and combines before the draft, I don't see many of them subjecting themselves to an extra game.

Then again, you could still have a hell of a game made up of guys that might just want one more shot under the lights, too.
My thoughts were it would likley be more for the guys who did not get invited to these other bowls. One last look for the pro scouts. The only people who would likely get drafted would be the ones who dominated. You likely would not get Troy Smith to come. But Justin Zwick? (I think he is actually playing in another bowl...which is odd IMO.?)

Hammb as far as the interstate thing go's...I love the idea.

Who would ocach it? The senior bowl is so popular because NFL coaches coach the players. Could we do this somehow. It would seem unfair to give it always to the Lions, bengals and browns coaches...if we did Michigan v. Ohio. Which I think is a great idea and would get TV ratings in both states. Can you imagine if a guy chose Michigan over OSU...or even Central, Eastern or Western over the 6 MAC schools here?

You market it right that game is watched more in the participating states then the senior bowl. It comes down to marketing at the individual schools and even sending press releases to the individual local papers of these guys. people in Florida wont care....but if it is on Regional CBS or Fox in those states...who cares.

Maybe this idea is not so new...I will go google but dont they already have something like this in Florida or Texas?

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:34 am
by Lord_Byron
Schadenfreude wrote:TG1996 is right, as usual.

It should not be against Michigan, which would be a slaughter.

If such a game could be put together -- and its an intriguing idea -- it would have to be with Pennsylvania.

Perhaps there could be a rule allowing people who emigrated away from Ohio and Pennsylvania to play, too. This would add some balance if balance were an issue. (Three I-A programs versus eight; I'm guessing Pennsylvania exports more talent).

The game would fit quite nicely in a MAC stadium, I think.
It should be against Texas or Florida.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:55 am
by Schadenfreude
Lord_Byron wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:TG1996 is right, as usual.

It should not be against Michigan, which would be a slaughter.

If such a game could be put together -- and its an intriguing idea -- it would have to be with Pennsylvania.

Perhaps there could be a rule allowing people who emigrated away from Ohio and Pennsylvania to play, too. This would add some balance if balance were an issue. (Three I-A programs versus eight; I'm guessing Pennsylvania exports more talent).

The game would fit quite nicely in a MAC stadium, I think.
It should be against Texas or Florida.
Okay. That's good.

Florida already does/did this?

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:13 am
by Class of 61
I might be wrong, but I seem to recall a few yrs. ago that Florida DID such a thing, and allowed players who played elsewhere, but were FROM Florida to participate...

Again, the reason that this sticks with me a bit is that a former BG player actually was on one of the teams.... it was the Fla. all-stars vs. the USA all-stars or some such thing. Don't know if they still do it, but I do recall such a thing happening.... (but I'm "old" so my memory might be fading) :wink: