MAC: QB farm

BGSUfanatUT · Post by **BGSUfanatUT** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:34 am

i was checking out the nat'l QB stats this morning and check this out:

Passing Statistics

1. Sonny Cumbie, Tex Tech 2924
2. Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo 2386
3. Omar Jacobs, BGU 2200
4. Josh Betts, Miami (OH) 2099
5. Kyle Orton, Purdue 2090
6. Derek Anderson, Oregon St 1993
7. Ryan Hart, Rutgers 1985
8. Timmy Chang, Hawaii 1977
9. Clint Marks, M Tenn St 1936
10. Dan Orlovsky, UConn 1918

Look at all those non BcS team there. And UCONN and Rutgers arent exactly top notch football teams either. spots 2,3,4 are all MAC teams. Not only that, but none of them are seniors either. After the last few years of Leftwich, Big Ben, J5, and Cribbs, Frye, now, and Omar, Bruce, betts, in the future. Could the MAC be the new go-to conference for QB's?

Then you look at scoring offense:

Boise St. 44.1
Utah 42.6
Louisville 42.0
Bowling Green 41.4
California 41

top 4 are mid majors.

passing yards, hawaii, toledo, BG, are 2 3 4 in there too.

NW ohio is clearly the best geographical region ever.

people have to make these connections eventually dont they? teams dont have 4 fluke seasons in a row. When bruce ends the year #1 in completion % and rating, and Omar has a 33-4 TD/INT ratio and both in the top 2 or 3 in yardage this year. They better get some mad props, or I will more than likely flip out.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:59 am

A lot of non-BCS teams seem to have implemented the spread or a variation of it. Lots of reasons that it makes sense, but the bottom line is that QBs tend to post gaudy numbers. Remember Andre Ware and David Klingler?

Tech83 · Post by **Tech83** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:06 am

Having watched Josh Betts (Miami) this weekend, I can assure you his numbers should be credited to his receivers and not him. Every time he threw over the middle it seemed he was either pick-off or the pass was incomplete. He does a quick pass to a Michael Larkin or Ryne Robinson out in the flat and they run for another 10-15-20 yards.

Ryne Robinson, true sophmore, became the 20th Miami receiver to top 1,000 career yards receiving on Saturday!!! And he's a TRUE sophmore. How did this kid get out of NW Ohio (Toledo St. Francis) and get to Miami?

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:48 pm

Probably has a little something to do with the fact that the MAC has no defenses to speak of as well.

I think I saw on BGSUFalcons.com today that BG is leading the MAC in scoring defense by allowing ONLY 20.7 points per game? YIKES! LOL

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:07 pm

2. Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo 2386
3. Omar Jacobs, BGU 2200
And Omar has played once less game then noGrad and most other Qbs on that list

BGSUfanatUT · Post by **BGSUfanatUT** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:21 pm

not to mention schedule. Brucies faced Minn as his toughest D, while Omar had Oklahoma. Bruce has NIU, MU, and BG ahead of him, whereas Omar only has Marshall and toledo. Omar certainly has the inside track to beaing the #1 QB when post season honors come.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:37 pm

kdog27 wrote:2. Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo 2386
3. Omar Jacobs, BGU 2200
And Omar has played once less game then noGrad and most other Qbs on that list

Omar has actually played in about two less games than Bruce. He hasn't played in the fourth quarter in the last four games, minus one series aginst CMU. I think this makes Omar's numbers even more impressive.

mualum78 · Post by **mualum78** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:47 pm

Tech83 wrote:Having watched Josh Betts (Miami) this weekend, I can assure you his numbers should be credited to his receivers and not him. Every time he threw over the middle it seemed he was either pick-off or the pass was incomplete. He does a quick pass to a Michael Larkin or Ryne Robinson out in the flat and they run for another 10-15-20 yards.

Ryne Robinson, true sophmore, became the 20th Miami receiver to top 1,000 career yards receiving on Saturday!!! And he's a TRUE sophmore. How did this kid get out of NW Ohio (Toledo St. Francis) and get to Miami?

You shouldn't judge Josh on one game. He is better than what he showed Saturday. As far as Ryne goes, don't underestimate him, Hammb. He is a very good player. He is just blossoming as a receiver...his role prior to Nance getting hurt was more in punt returns. He's returned 6 for touchdowns and had 3 of those called back. (One against Michigan. One would argue Michigan has a pretty good defense.) BTW, my thanks to BG for not recruiting him!

redskins4ever · Post by **redskins4ever** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:21 pm

I believe he was recruited, but the fact that Ryne was going to have someone like Ben throw the ball to him was a much bigger factor then some people may realize. Something OSU fails to realize is that they cant get prime wide receiver talent when their qb cant get the ball to the receiver.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:45 pm

mualum78 wrote:. As far as Ryne goes, don't underestimate him, Hammb. He is a very good player. He is just blossoming as a receiver...his role prior to Nance getting hurt was more in punt returns. He's returned 6 for touchdowns and had 3 of those called back. (One against Michigan. One would argue Michigan has a pretty good defense.) BTW, my thanks to BG for not recruiting him!

Woh! You misunderstood my comment!

Seriously Ryne Robinson is a super playmaker and likely the best in the conference. He can flat out make plays in special teams, and I'm a big proponent of taking special teams seriously. Ryne actually reminds me of Dante Hall in that he starts off making plays in the return game and they slowly work him into becoming a good slot WR as well. I meant no disrespect to Robinson AT ALL!

Just let that be known.

My point was that one major reason why all the MAC QBs put up such huge numbers is that the defenses in the MAC are pretty awful. As far as coaching, creativity, and athleticism MAC defenses are LIGHT YEARS behind MAC offenses. As much as I complain about BG doing it we aren't the only team in the conference that takes all their best athletes and puts them all on offense, giving the leftovers to the defense.

So yeah, I think that defenses in the MAC suck. I also think QBs in the MAC are pretty good. And yes, I think Ryne Robinson is a stud, and I would kill to have that on BG right now. I love Chuck Sharon, but he's more of a prototype WR, while Robinson is a better returner.

mualum78 · Post by **mualum78** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:49 pm

redskins4ever wrote:I believe he was recruited, but the fact that Ryne was going to have someone like Ben throw the ball to him was a much bigger factor then some people may realize. Something OSU fails to realize is that they cant get prime wide receiver talent when their qb cant get the ball to the receiver.

Good point.

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:00 pm

hammb wrote: My point was that one major reason why all the MAC QBs put up such huge numbers is that the defenses in the MAC are pretty awful. As far as coaching, creativity, and athleticism MAC defenses are LIGHT YEARS behind MAC offenses. As much as I complain about BG doing it we aren't the only team in the conference that takes all their best athletes and puts them all on offense, giving the leftovers to the defense.

I will agree, MAC defenses suck. However, Omar tossed up some respectable numbers against Oklahoma. I feel that he could do that game in and game out against top 25 teams. I doubt any other MAC qb's could at this point. Maybe Charlie Frye if he was on a different team!!

Cork · Post by **Cork** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:51 pm

mualum78 wrote: BTW, my thanks to BG for not recruiting him!

We recruited him but he wanted Miami. His list of schools, if accurate:

Miami (Oh)...... / Verbal / Yes ......... 01/10/2003
Bowling Green...... / No Interest / Yes ......... 12/20/2002
Duke ............. / No Interest / No ......... None
Northwestern ...... / No Interest / No ......... None
Ohio ............ / No Interest / Yes ......... None
Pittsburgh ...... / No Interest / No .......... None

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:37 am

McMetz811 wrote:
hammb wrote: My point was that one major reason why all the MAC QBs put up such huge numbers is that the defenses in the MAC are pretty awful. As far as coaching, creativity, and athleticism MAC defenses are LIGHT YEARS behind MAC offenses. As much as I complain about BG doing it we aren't the only team in the conference that takes all their best athletes and puts them all on offense, giving the leftovers to the defense.
I will agree, MAC defenses suck. However, Omar tossed up some respectable numbers against Oklahoma. I feel that he could do that game in and game out against top 25 teams. I doubt any other MAC qb's could at this point. Maybe Charlie Frye if he was on a different team!!

I agree. Omar is going to be a great QB, and he did put up respectable numbers against Oklahoma. He could very well continue to put up those decent numbers against top 25 teams throughout the year as well. However, I doubt very seriously if his numbers would be nearly what they are now had he been playing in a different conference. It's no knock on him, because he's taking advantage of these lousy defenses, no doubt, but its just fact. He has been routinely throwing for 300+ and 2-4 TDs. Those are phenomenal numbers, and I don't want to take away from what he's doing, but I don't believe he'd be putting up those numbers in a different conference. He'd still be good, but not THAT good, I'm guessing.

I think that seeing so many great offensive numbers coming out of the MAC might be a little inflated due to lack of defense in the conference, that is all.